Author: Wayne Lowrance
Date: 14:03:34 04/06/01
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On April 06, 2001 at 14:53:14, Ed Panek wrote: >On April 06, 2001 at 14:09:09, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On April 06, 2001 at 12:34:57, Thorsten Czub wrote: >> >>>On April 06, 2001 at 11:49:27, Ulrich Tuerke wrote: >>> >>>>Since nobody is posting wins of my program, I mayself have to do it. -:) >>>> >>>>Having got curious on Gambit Tiger, I have made 2 consecutive games on FICS, >>>>comet even running on a bit inferior hardware (700 MHZ - 1 GHz, time control is >>>>4+6.) >>>>The games below demonstrate the high risk of gambit tiger's playing style. I can >>>>hardly imagine a top engine giving this good chances to a middle class freeware >>>>program. >>>> >>>>The games ended 1.5 - 0.5 for comet, where tiger rather luckily escaped into a >>>>drawn ending in 2nd game. >>>> >>>>These 2 games do of course not imply that comet is stronger. I'm sure, that the >>>>ship will sink in a multi-game match. However, they do demonstrate that far >>>>weaker opponents have a unexpectedly good chance against due to tiger's risky >>>>playing style. >>>> >>>>I personally doubt that the gambit version of the program can do better than the >>>>usual tiger against computer opponents. >>>> >>>>Regards, Uli >>> >>>i cannot speak for gambit-tiger2 so far, >>>but i can guaranty you that for gambit-tiger1 in relation to rebel-tiger13 >>>the success is on gambit-tigers side. >>> >>>i think the explanation is easy ! >>> >>>gambit-tiger will lose a few games due to risky style. >>>but it will not lose as much games due to doing nothing as >>>rebel-tiger13 will do. >>> >>>if you have 2 similar programs, and the one is more agressive, >>>the more aggressive will IMO make a better score over all. >> >> >>I totally disagree. I will be happy to give you an immensely aggressive >>version of Crafty. But I believe it will lose _way_ more than it wins when >>compared to the normal version. There is aggression, and there is "aggression". >>and too much of _anything_ is not a good thing > > > >I tend to agree with Bob. I have played umpteen matches between Hiarcs, Gtiger , >Crafty Comet, genius etc...at all time controls..and I find that sometimes more >often than not if an attack is initited too aggressively and too early that the >program is basically throwing out the drawing option if it does not succeed. In >other words that if the attack does not cause massive damage and the other >program is able to withstand the assault, the attacker generally will lose as a >result maybe 10-15 moves later as it is a terrible defending postition now. I >find Crafty games particularly interesting because it very rarely attacks >strongly in the middlegame and seems to enjoy endgame winnings.Actually Crafty >with EGTB is one of the best at endgames in C vs. C. > > >Ed Gee I don't agree with that assessment of Crafty. It is a very strong program, but on equal hardware it is not in the top maybe five commercial programs based on my experience in using it in correspondence games. It is preety hard to beat fritz6e at coorespondence games. I do not have deep fritz6 but it surely is even stronger yet at coorespondence games. Gambit Tiger is an unknown to me, as I have not started a new coorespondence game, I have six going now. The next start will be using GT2. But win or loose, Gambit Tiger is my favorite program, the suspense is terrific. Just my opinion. Wayne
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