Author: Ed Schröder
Date: 02:33:47 04/16/01
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On April 15, 2001 at 18:44:06, Bertil Eklund wrote: >Here is some news about the upcoming event: > > >- We invited 4 programs: DB and the Deeps of Fritz, Shredder and Junior. >"We" is BGN and Enrique Irazoqui, with Bertil Eklund as consultant. A very nice couple. Both of them just recently called me a hypocrite in the CSS forum. My sin: reporting the Odyssey tournament. Reason: they dislike Thorsten Czub the organizer of Odyssey. Why do you mention this Ed? Because I am in this business too long. Personal dislikes have become the keyword expelling Rebel and Tiger. >- DB is obvious. Fritz has been leading everything in computer chess, Only on SSDF. Which manual tournament Fritz has won the last 3 years? Answer: NONE. >short of a Swiss open of 7 rounds that receives the name "world championship". Ridiculous... There are only 2 programs playing in this world championship. >Shredder is strong and got the 2 last titles, whatever they mean, although >it never topped the SSDF list, never won long tournaments. Junior is also >strong, was first in the SSDF list about a year ago, won some long >tournaments, achieved a PR of 2702 last year in Dortmund. Agreed, but then.......... Tiger 12.0 coming from nothing topped the SSDF list. The new Tiger will top your list soon. >The rest is either >not strong enough or not SMP ready, which means they don't have a chance and >their inclusion would only increase randomness. What an utter nonsense is that. You and Enrique should know better than that. It is like Christophe said, all arranged behind the curtains, no way back. Discrimination of the worst kind. In no way it is proven that a multi-processor program is doing better than a single-processor program. Just look at the latest Ausfess tournament Tiger 13.0 (not 14.0) topping above all the multi-processing entries: ================================================== Tournament : Aufseß 2001 Date : 13/03 to 17/03 Type : 9 rounds Swiss Time control : 3h/all 1. Chess-Tiger 13.0 Athlon 1,3 GHz 6.5 46.5 31.75 2. Hiarcs 7.32 Athlon 800 6.5 46.0 32.75 3. CM 6555 Athlon 1,2 GHz 6.0 45.5 29.00 4. SOS 11/2000 Athlon 800 5.5 44.5 26.25 5. Deep Fritz 2x P3 1 GHz 5.5 43.5 26.00 6. Gandalf 4.32h Athlon 1,2 GHz 5.5 36.5 20.25 7. Hiarcs 7.01 Athlon 1,0 5.0 45.0 24.00 8. Gambit-Tiger 1.0 P3-840 5.0 44.0 22.25 9. Shredder5 Erbsenzähler P3-1000 5.0 41.5 20.25 10. Deep Shredder 2x P3-935 5.0 41.0 20.25 11. Deep Junior 2x Athlon 1Ghz 5.0 40.5 18.50 12. Century 3.0 P3-866 4.5 45.5 21.25 13. Junior 6 Athlon 1,2 GHz 4.5 38.5 16.75 14. Triple-Brain 2 x Celeron 500 4.0 36.5 13.25 15. Shredder 5 Athlon 1,2 GHz 4.0 36.0 13.00 16. Fritz 6 P2-400 3.5 44.5 16.00 17. The King 2.54 P4-1300 3.5 38.0 14.25 18. Genius 6,5 P3-800 3.5 36.5 12.00 19. Nimzo 8 Athlon 1 GHz 3.0 36.0 10.75 20. Goliath Light Exp. Athlon 1,2 3.0 35.0 10.25 21. M- Chess 7.1 P3-500 2.5 35.0 8.25 22. CM 8000 Athlon 1,2 GHz 2.5 35.0 8.00 ==================================== The URL: www.rebel.nl/r11-resu.htm For once have a look at this complete victory list and tell me which program has won so much tournaments? Answer: ONLY Chess Tiger! And you want to expel this program??? Another example is Paderborn 1999 the world championship all classes Shredder winning the tournament on a poor Pentium 550 above all the multi-processor entries: . Junior 4 x 500 Mhz . Fritz 4 x 500 Mhz . Ferret 4 x 400 Mhz . Cilkchess 240 x Alpha at 250 Mhz . P.ConNerS 186 x PII 450 Mhz . Zugzwang 512 x Alpha at 300 Mhz Bertil, you called me a hyprocrite in the CSS forum. Here on CCC you accused me of a campaigning against the SSDF. In email I asked you why I deserved such a public insult. You have ignored the email. It smells Bertil. And all of this because I am reporting Odyssey? I find this very very hard to believe. Furthermore I have seen the SSDF tester Lykke proudly announcing here on CCC his Deep Fritz - Deep Shredder game listed on the ChessBase site all well nicely documented with pictures, a clear case of an endorsement. And now this... What on earth are you doing??? You are killing your own creditability as SSDF as these kind of things are seriously questioning your status of being independant and are giving your known opponents only more ammunition to shoot. I can not believe this is really happening. Ed >- Which program is stronger against humans? Who knows and who says they do >differently in comp-comp as opposed to human-comp. Besides, a "candidates" >with 20 programs and 20 first rate GMs that consists of enough games takes >ages and a huge amount of money nobody mentioned. > >- The "Qualifiers" will be played in a public place (by the way, beautiful, >with a great view over the bay :) ) > >- Programmers will send their latest babies and books, and all settings will >follow their instructions. > >- An international arbiter will be present for the event in case DS >participates. Otherwise the other two programmers don't seem to require an >arbiter. > >- But just in case, Bertil Eklund has been invited for the event. > >- The Cadaqués event is not to be hold in "closed session". In fact, >journalists, arbiter and other visitors will be present. Press and Internet >coverage will be substantial. > >- Programmers are free to develop their engines until October 1st, provided >that they will send regular updates to Kramnik. The idea is to avoid the >DB-Kasparov scenario, in which Kasparov had no idea of the opponent. > >- The entry fee will be returned to the programmers that won't win the >Qualifiers. > >- If a programmer feels entitled to play a given human player, he is more >than welcome to organize the match and find the funds. > >Bertil
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