Author: Uri Blass
Date: 00:44:42 04/20/01
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On April 20, 2001 at 01:44:50, Mike S. wrote: >On April 20, 2001 at 00:46:11, Dann Corbit wrote: > >>(...) >>In any case, play against a chess program with takebacks. You will find that >>you can eventually win unless you are a complete idiot. Now, just record the >>winning moves and try again. Eventually (through a very simple method like >>this) you can detect and exploit weaknesses or opening book errors. >> >>If anything, it is his strongest point. > >I'm afraid it will remain unclear forever (not that I'm too interested :o), if >the first version, or draft of that contract included an obligation to hand over >a complete package, including the opening book, or just the engine. IMO it would >*not* make sense for BGN nor Kramnik to have the opening book, for obvious >reasons (because they of course want to have a match, no killer book >preparation), so I think they would have removed that from the contract as soon >as it is explained (if necessary...) during negotiations. I think it's unusual >to make such details of contracts public. > >If I want to take my chance and find parts of a contract I cannot agree with, I >try to negotiate them away - that's what Amir Ban tried to explain to us. > >I do not assume, that BGN or any other organizer would let programs compete >under different contracts. Whoever suspects this, should first bring evidence >and talk later. So, do you think DF or DJ would agree to send their openings to >Kramnik 3 month before the final match, without the right to change anything? >This doesn't sound quite reasonable to me. > >Providing the engine alone isn't such a problem I think, because in this case >Kramnik could not prepare for a small number of opening lines most likely to >reach. I do not think he would profit much more from a new engine version, than >from a current version, during his training. > >Furthermore: I'm only guessing and may be wrong, but I don't think that he will >be able to use the match hardware for preparation. I think that he will have no problem to buy it because kramnik is a rich guy after beating kasparov. Therefore, he will only get a >rough impression more or less of what his opponent will be; he'll know much less >than he is used to know about the GM's he usually plays against. So lets not >overestimate this preparation issue. I disagree that he is going to know less. Kramnik can surprise the opponent by some strange opening(for example 1.c3 and throw it out of book in a few moves when after it the game is only preperation. he is going to prepare some lines and one line is not enough but in 3 monthes he is going to have no problem to prepare 90 games assuming he is preparing one game per day. I believe that it is possible to win chess programs even after a line like 1.c3 e5 2.Qc2 if you try again and again. The only problem for kramnik is that the opponent is not deterministic as SMP but he is going to learn a lot about the weakness of the opponent from the games that he prepares so even if the opponent does not follow exactly the same moves it is going to be in some trouble. Uri
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