Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 19:30:42 05/07/01
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On May 07, 2001 at 19:10:45, Torstein Hall wrote:
>On May 07, 2001 at 18:29:50, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On May 07, 2001 at 16:02:15, Torstein Hall wrote:
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>>>On May 07, 2001 at 12:05:50, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 07, 2001 at 11:00:42, Torstein Hall wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On May 06, 2001 at 18:49:36, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On May 06, 2001 at 16:57:45, Torstein Hall wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I just saw that ChessTiger for Palm is comming out. You get a free text based
>>>>>>>version. It will later come in a comersial version with its own graphical user
>>>>>>>interface. As a user of a Cassiopeia Pocket PC, I just envy you Palm owners your
>>>>>>>Chess Tiger, even if you have to live with a somewhat suboptimal pocket
>>>>>>>solution!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Palm, a suboptimal solution????
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Obviously you have never tried it. It's cheap, it's fast, it's robust, has a
>>>>>>large autonomy, can be overclocked, does everything you need, and you find
>>>>>>thousands of programs for it.
>>>>>
>>>>>I like to say that the Palm is OK as an PDA, but the color version was nearly
>>>>>just as expensive as a Pocket PC, but with a bad color screen. It still misses
>>>>>quite a few great features from the CE / Pocket PC. I have used several CE
>>>>>devices as Email machines and if you want to read an attachment from the
>>>>>everpresent word or Excel, I think you are in trouble with your Palm.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>There are solutions for this.
>>>
>>>Can the mailprogram actually handle attachments without buying and filling up
>>>your small "nothing to spare memory" with extra programs..... :-)
>>
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>>There are several solutions as I said.
>>
>>You can ask the mail(s) program(s) to just load subject lines, then mark the
>>email you want to download fully (or without attachments).
>>
>>If you don't want to download a 2Mb attachment, you can simply let it on the
>>mail server and you'll download it from your PC.
>>
>>The handhelds are not meant to replace the PC. It is a mistake to think in terms
>>of "a PC in your pocket". So trying to list all the things you can do with your
>>PC and you cannot do with your handheld leads nowhere.
>>
>>The thing that will replace the PC (probably) is the tablet PC. But the
>>handhelds are mainly a satellite of the main PC.
>>
>>And yes, you can receive DOC files attached with your emails and you can view
>>them on the Palm. The email programs I know are limited to downloading 2Mb
>>attachments. If you have a PalmVx with 8Mb, it's OK. A Palm with 8Mb of memory
>>really means that you have 8Mb free, and these 8Mb are like 64Mb on your PC.
>>
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>>>>>>As far as I know, almost all owners of Palms are happy with it. And a large
>>>>>>percentage of owners of WinCE or PocketPC computers are not happy with it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Anyway, there will be a PocketPC version of Chess Tiger for Palm. I will come
>>>>>>after the graphical Palm version.
>>>>>
>>>>>Great!! And expect the Pocket PC version to wipe away the Palm! With its much
>>>>>larger memory and higher prosessor speeds!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yes probably. But rumours has it that the next Palm generation will use the
>>>>StrongARM processor too.
>>>>
>>>
>>>If you want a picture of "Skywalker" or the new Palm 700 you can have a look
>>>here, but beware the page is in Norwegian. http://www.itavisen.no/
>>
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>>
>>Thanks, I understand almost nothing, but it's nice. :)
>>
>>As I see the article has been published just today?!
>>
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>>>>>As the sayings go: If you want a PDA a palm is fine, If you want a PC for your
>>>>>pocket, buy a Pocket PC!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Exactly!
>>>>
>>>>And a PC in my pocket is the last thing that I want. I can't afford to spend
>>>>hours configuring the stuff and messing with the Windows registry when I'm on
>>>>the go.
>>>>
>>>>All I want is a handheld that is simple and which works. A Palm.
>>>
>>>The only thing I have found remotely difficult to install on my Pocket PC was to
>>>get the new Bluethooth card to talk to my Ericsson R520M with GPRS transmission.
>>>But that is beta software...... Anyway it is great as I can talk on my phone and
>>>still have a 19.2kbit link.
>>>
>>>...and by the way, Win CE is winning market share.(at least in Europe) Mostly
>>>for two reasons. The new Compaq has sold realy well, and most software made for
>>>"special" solutions are done on on CE/Pocket PC. A nice example is
>>>http://www.epocketsolutions.com/
>>>
>>>Anyway, I have probably talked to much off topic, so I better stop now!
>>
>>
>>
>>No, it's interesting.
>>
>>Handhelds are especially interesting for playing chess. The dedicated computers
>>are dead, so they are the future of computer chess.
>>
>>I think WinCE and PocketPC are still behind, for example in term of available
>>software and dynamic, but it will get better.
>
>I can see tree main advantages for Palm. Long battery life, lower price and more
>software. But as experience has shown people like color screens with a nice
>resolution, and there goes two advantages......
>And on the program side, I can not say that I'm really missing anything.
>
>But for pocket PC I feel there are more advantages. As already "understated",
>color screen in higher res. and more and better software included. Some
>examples: Pocket IE is actually a nice little software, letting me use my online
>bank, because it handles both frames and Javascript! Pocket Excel and Pocket
>word is both nice small programs letting you actually edit "real" files if you
>want to put in a comment or two. The mail program handles not only POP but also
>Imap4. Usefull when I log into the office mailbox! If you like I can go on for
>while if you like...... :-)
>
>I like to put it into an analogy. This is about cars...
>So I think it is like comparing a Lada to a large Citroen. Both will get you
>from A to B, but I guess the person driving the Citroen is somewhat more fresh
>and happy when he arrives at his destination!
As a matter of facts I really own a Citroen! :)
I understand what you say. It is true that the power and know-how of Microsoft
can push the PocketPC OS forward, but at this time PalmOS is still number one.
My main concerns are about the way PalmOS will evolve in the future in order to
integrate things like virtual memory and multitasking.
Not that I feel an immediate need for it, but it might be a real challenge for
them.
I guess the way to solve this is to consider the current PalmOS in the same way
DOS boxes are considered under Windows. So old PalmOS software could run inside
"boxes" in order to keep full compatibility with the existing software base, and
a new, more powerful operating system would envelop them. Then software
developpers could start developping from scratch with the new features of the
new PalmOS.
I wish they would not delay a new PalmOS too much...
Christophe
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