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Subject: Re: Crafty would trade too !?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 13:47:43 06/09/01

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On June 09, 2001 at 14:09:53, Robin Smith wrote:

>On June 09, 2001 at 11:19:49, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On June 09, 2001 at 05:18:45, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>
>>>On June 08, 2001 at 15:19:09, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>Here is a cute position that occurred between a commercial program and Crafty
>>>>last week:
>>>>
>>>>[D] 8/p4pp1/3rk2p/4p3/2P5/2K4P/P2R1PP1/8 w - - 0 1
>>>>
>>>>Crafty was black and moved the rook to d6, offering a trade.  The opponent
>>>>took it and was happy to do so.  Unfortunately, white is lost.  White saw
>>>>the passed pawn and apparently was quite happy.  Crafty's static evaluation
>>>>for this position is -1.0 roughly.
>>>
>>>depth=15 1/20 +0.00 1. Rxd6+ Kxd6 2. Kb4 Kc6 3. Ka5 f5 4. h4 Kc5 5. Ka6 Kxc4 6.
>>>Kxa7 Kb4 7. Kb6 Ka3 8. Kc7 Kxa2
>>>
>>>Am I missing something here?
>>>
>>>After the trade I get:
>>>
>>>depth=15 1/20 -0.15 2. Kb4 Kc6 3. c5 f5 4. h4 g5 5. h5 g4 6. a3 e4 7. Kc4 f4 8.
>>>Kd4 g3 9. fxg3
>>>
>>>Not very convincing...
>>>
>>>--
>>>GCP
>>
>>
>>Apparently I have made more changes in 18.10 than I realized.  At depth=15,
>>my score is way below zero...  But the main thing is to avoid Rd6 which simply
>>loses...
>
>You keep saying this "simply loses", but with what evidence?  With Crafty 18.08
>vs. itself, at both 13 plies/move and 15 plies/move the game is drawn.  If it
>loses at all it certainly isn't simple.
>
>Robin


The plan has already been explained multiple times (by myself and others).
I would not call it trivial, but a human certainly ought to be able to see
that white is _not_ +1 as my opponent said during the game.  _that_ was the
main point here.  Black is doing just fine.  I don't see how white can
answer the threat of black's passer, and black has _already_ answered the
threat of white's.



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