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Subject: Re: SSDF(Deep Fritz - Tiger 14 CB)A1200, 4-0! ended 20-20

Author: Wayne Lowrance

Date: 07:25:09 07/04/01

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On July 03, 2001 at 23:28:21, Chessfun wrote:

>On July 03, 2001 at 19:44:34, Wayne Lowrance wrote:
>
>>On July 03, 2001 at 16:12:12, Jorge wrote:
>>
>>>Even a tiger can get tired at times.. :)
>>>
>>>jorge
>>
>>Dang it, I have been biting my tongue from this result. For years now I have
>>been reading about Fritz being given unfair treatment. I have _always_ doubted
>>it. Now I have some reservations ! I am not and cannot accuse directly anyone or
>>ogranization in this regard. I am expressing puzzlement and beginning to wonder
>>!.
>
>
>How does this result suggest in any way shape of form, previous results were in
>any way tainted?.
>
>
>>When Fritz wnet 5/0 against Junior in last games (deep of course) I was starting
>>to think and wonder, but then it wore off. Now this ! Darn it, I know these
>>programs are very close and maybe 40 games is not enough ( I know you stat
>>people are going to jump all over me on stat's).
>>
>>But I do not believe either of these programs should not be able to win 5 games
>>in a row.
>
>Why not? we have seen it hundreds of times in the past.
>Did you ask this question when Deep Fritz played Junior 6a and got off to a bad
>start?
>
>>I do not have the energy and stanima to check all forty of the games but I would
>>like to see someone compile a win-loss-draw  on all forty games by opening to
>>see the breakdown. Just curious !
>
>Oh you have no energy or stamina, but make ridiculous statements...i see.
>
>>
>>Wayne
>>
>>I have deep fritz and Tigers. I play them on coorespondence chess servers. I
>>play them on fast time control servers for a long time now. I have never seen
>>either program roll off five games in a row.
>
>And how many games at tournament times have you played on two computers?.
>
>>I really enjoy my many programs and I don't like this negativism that is
>>starting to grow like cancer in my mind about fairness and equal treatment.
>
>You also enjoy, like others apparently posting what's my word...agh yes
>nonsense.
>
>>I apoligize if anyone is offended, not intending to do that.
>
>Then you should have kept quiet. !!
>
>Sarah.

Okey Sarah, I guess your right. All your comments were okey and taken well with
me except the part "hundreds of times" I have been reading posts here several
times a day for many years, gosh, I dont know how many, but for a long time.  I
do not think there have been hundreds of results like this, between two programs
of equal playing strength.

You know Sarah, it's not so much the 5/0 run that bothered me (past tense) it's
the timing of it that does coupled with the fact the CT is equal in strength
_and_ the same last ditch save by fritz against (deep Jr another program pier)
under identical match timing.

You could admit that the question at least does pop into your head, maybe just
in passing, but it is there.




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