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Subject: Re: Comment on Fritz - Junior

Author: Peter Berger

Date: 10:19:12 07/05/01

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On July 04, 2001 at 22:29:56, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>>>But in a human match they definitely aren't.
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>>pete
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>I don't think they are independent events with comp vs comp either.  Book
>learning.  Position learning.  Both "connect" a series of games together.
>Even more so if one program has those and the other does not.
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This is the crucial question in fact , isn't it ?

If one has learning and the other one hasn't there should be a strong and bad
effect on the calculations .

We can safely assume that all the Chessbase programs use the same book learner (
as learning is done by the GUI ) .

Let's forget about position learning ( its effect doesn't seem to matter very
much and what I have seen looks quite primitive still IMHO and shouldn't matter
often ).

But the question is the book learner . Let's assume all programs use the Crafty
book learner .

Will the effects of the "learning" of the two programs neutralize each other (
which should be similar or near to independence of the games ) or will both
programs' learning lead to an even stronger dependency between the games ? Or
something else ( kind of a lateral effect ;)) ?

I don't see that one of the possibilities is evident . I _believe_ the first
alternative is true but I can't even give very good reasons for it .

If the effect adds up Christoph Fieberg's program can't be used to calculate the
likelihood of a match and the statements made about the Junior-Fritz match are
irrelevant.

Also it is not clear how your booklearner could be added to Christophs model (
which otherwise sounds rather perfect to me ) .

Any ideas ?

pete



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