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Subject: Re: Hubner Draws again (pgn)

Author: José Carlos

Date: 06:32:53 07/17/01

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On July 16, 2001 at 16:35:28, Mark Young wrote:

>On July 16, 2001 at 16:30:08, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>On July 16, 2001 at 15:57:01, Mark Young wrote:
>>[snip]
>>>I’m confused, the way everyone is talking, it sounds like DeepFritz is the
>>>favorite to win this match. I hear how nice the 2600+ Grandmaster played and
>>>defended against the computer.
>>>
>>>I thought a prepared Grandmaster from what I have read here at CCC would have no
>>>trouble beating a top chess program. Against a prepared human I read here by the
>>>experts the program will play like a weak 2100-2200 player.
>>
>>Can you provide a reference message for this claim, or did you simply make it
>>up?
>
>Dann I'm shocked, are you calling me a liar if I don't provide a reference
>message? :) To make you happy Dann, as I know no one else saw this posted:) I
>did make it up.

  If my view is worth anything, I'd say that I didn't read that Dann called you
liar. I see that there're big misunderstunding problems in this forum lately. He
implied that you misunderstood a post (that I hardly remember) about programs
behaving like a 2100 players in certain positions. Maybe he didn't read that
post, and asks you for a reference.
  So please, calm down everybody and try to read carefully and argue about
anything related to computer chess, not liars, trollers, etc...
  And for the 2100 thing, I can think of a position where every pawn is blocked
and the computer, having material advantage, does not sacrifice a piece for a
pawn to open the postion like every human would easily do. I can't paste a FEN,
cause I'm at work.

  José C.

>Certainly preparation is going to help, but not in such a devastating way
>>unless a serious flaw is discovered.
>>
>>And (in addition) a 2100-2200 player is by no means weak.  Probably,
>>he/she/they/it will beat 90% of the players in the world.
>>
>>>Who is the favorite in the match DeepFritz or GM Huebner?
>>
>>Based upon what we have seen so far, I think it will be about even, or perhaps a
>>slight edge to Huebner.  But there are a lot of variables.  Perhaps Huebner eats
>>some bad tuna.  Perhaps a serious flaw is discovered in the computer program
>>(e.g. a certain pattern can defeat it again and again).  Perhaps a serious flaw
>>is found in Huebner's approach where *he* can be beaten again and again
>>(unlikely, but not inconceivable).
>>
>>At any rate, it is cetainly a very interesting match.



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