Author: CLiebert
Date: 01:08:21 07/22/01
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On July 21, 2001 at 19:08:09, Miguel A. Ballicora wrote: >On July 21, 2001 at 07:27:10, CLiebert wrote: > >>On July 20, 2001 at 16:47:29, Dann Corbit wrote: >> >>>On July 20, 2001 at 04:13:44, CLiebert wrote: >>>[snip] >>>>OK I understand your point. But would you admitt that thinking like this would >>>>mean that every development in computerchess-engines could be canceled, because >>>>nobody asks for the progress of a new tiger, shredder oder fritz?! >>> >>>No. People will still buy the top SSDF program which is 2 ELO better than its >>>opponent with an error bar of +/-35 ELO without even looking at the features. >>>So then they can say they have the "strongest" program. And nobody is going to >>>sit still. If development on the professional engines stopped, eventually the >>>amateurs would pass them. I think there will always be a gap between the >>>professional engines and the amateur engines for 3 reasons: >>>1. The professionals get to spend a lot more time developing >>>2. The data in the form of opening books will always be better because amateurs >>>are not capable of assembling a professional quality opening book >>>3. Most amateur innovations are openly discussed and most profesional >>>innovations are kept secret. >> >> >>Some profis are only profis via definition, like Ban or Uniacke f. ex.! >> >>"I think there will always be a gap between the professional engines and the >>amateur engines..." >> >>That´s what I have written before, I agree! There is still a difference for >>different reasons. One might be forgotten always: >>may be they are still better - working harder is one point, having more talent >>another, isn´t it ... ?! > >I really doubt that every single pro is more talented that every single of the >best amateurs programmers. One may be more, another could be less, who knows. >In fact, it is really difficult to prove when one group invest one order of >magnitude more effort and resources than the other. > >Regards, >Miguel I didn´t say "every" as I never would say never. But talent and new ideas are very very important to improve engines over a certain point (f.ex. tiger) and for entering the top 5. Most of the amateurs are staying around the "crafty-line" or lower. This might be the level you can reach today without having special ideas but if you program in a very good, solid and a traditional way. May be, who knows... Regards Christian
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