Author: Mark Young
Date: 05:53:41 07/23/01
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On July 23, 2001 at 08:47:00, Otello Gnaramori wrote: >On July 23, 2001 at 07:57:58, Mark Young wrote: > >>On July 23, 2001 at 07:39:19, odell hall wrote: >> >>>On July 23, 2001 at 06:16:44, Mark Young wrote: >>> >>>>On July 22, 2001 at 14:19:22, Joshua Lee wrote: >>>> >>>>>On July 22, 2001 at 09:13:39, Jonas Cohonas wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On July 22, 2001 at 09:02:54, Joshua Lee wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>You've never read GM Kramnik's statements about a Match with Fritz have you? >>>>>>>Basically if a GM want's a Draw then he will get one. Heubner hasn't been very >>>>>>>active untill recently so this may be a little warm up. But none the less he >>>>>>>should've crushed fritz seeing how it only deserves a 2612 rating if it were on >>>>>>>hardware several times faster than it was. Hat's off to Fritz and it's >>>>>>>programmers. >>>>>> >>>>>>I think Huebner did what he could to draw, nothing more nothing less, i was not >>>>>>impressed with either DF or Huebner. Huebner was affraid to lose, and excanged >>>>>>pieces like his life depended on it BOOOORING. DF 2612 on a dual 1gig, CT14.0 >>>>>>2782 on an 800mhz maby the wrong program is to face Kramnik??? >>>>>> >>>>>>Regards >>>>>>Jonas >>>>> >>>>>Results like the one's you mention prove that this is not an exact science. >>>>>while DF can Draw like a GM and CT can beat a GM or two maybe 3 (i didn't follow >>>>>the match) I seriously doubt that Computers are GM's in every phase of the game >>>>>Kasparov said DB "The computer was like a 2800 player in the endgame", i think >>>>>the DB team said they had all 6 piece and some 8 piece endgame tablebases but i >>>>>may be mis quoting the team This is a hugh statement coming from one of the best >>>>>endgame players (Karpov and Smyslov helped with Encyclopedia of Chess Endgames >>>>>which may not say much lots of errors however Smyslov's Rook Endings is supposed >>>>>to be really good) >>>>> >>>>>So Computers play over 2000 in the endgame for sure >>>>>Chess Tiger and other programs when it comes to tactics will play over 2000 >>>>>Deep Fritz can make GM draws but even experts 2000-2199 have beaten GM's on >>>>>occasion so this does NOT say much >>>> >>>>The day you have a GM or IM say yes it's as >>>>>good as me or it is better then i think this confusion will be over. >>>> >>>>The confusion is over then, some players have already made such statments to >>>>this effect. >>> >>> >>> Mark if God Himself were to come down to earth and declare Computers to be >>>Grandmaster strength, these people here would still say the aren't, buttom line >>>is no amount of logic, reason, or results will sway them because it is an >>>emotional issue with many, some can't accept that computers can do something as >>>well as humans, so your probally wasteing your time. It seems like common sense >>>after all these sensational results, but like I said logic doesn't apply here. >> >>I once read and I agree with it...computer chess is not man vs. machine, it is >>man vs man. > >Hi Mark, >I partially disagree with your above statement, since if it deeply true that the >software was written by a man, it's also true that is powered by a machine, that >is per-se fail-proof and calculates far more deeply than humans. But the machine is also a creation of man. :) >The matter is that some people is embarrassed to admit that some of these >"stupid machines" are starting to overcome the best human specialists in this >particular field. > >Regards. > > >> >>So I do not have this emotional issue to bias my judgement.
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