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Subject: Re: Not Fritz 7!, Not Deep Fritz!, but Deep Fritz Grandmaster 1.0!!

Author: Mark Young

Date: 05:53:41 07/23/01

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On July 23, 2001 at 08:47:00, Otello Gnaramori wrote:

>On July 23, 2001 at 07:57:58, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>On July 23, 2001 at 07:39:19, odell hall wrote:
>>
>>>On July 23, 2001 at 06:16:44, Mark Young wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 22, 2001 at 14:19:22, Joshua Lee wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On July 22, 2001 at 09:13:39, Jonas Cohonas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On July 22, 2001 at 09:02:54, Joshua Lee wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You've never read GM Kramnik's statements about a Match with Fritz have you?
>>>>>>>Basically if a GM want's a Draw then he will get one. Heubner hasn't been very
>>>>>>>active untill recently so this may be a little warm up. But none the less he
>>>>>>>should've crushed fritz seeing how it only deserves a 2612 rating if it were on
>>>>>>>hardware several times faster than it was. Hat's off to Fritz and it's
>>>>>>>programmers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think Huebner did what he could to draw, nothing more nothing less, i was not
>>>>>>impressed with either DF or Huebner. Huebner was affraid to lose, and excanged
>>>>>>pieces like his life depended on it BOOOORING. DF 2612 on a dual 1gig, CT14.0
>>>>>>2782 on an 800mhz maby the wrong program is to face Kramnik???
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Regards
>>>>>>Jonas
>>>>>
>>>>>Results like the one's you mention prove that this is not an exact science.
>>>>>while DF can Draw like a GM and CT can beat a GM or two maybe 3 (i didn't follow
>>>>>the match) I seriously doubt that Computers are GM's in every phase of the game
>>>>>Kasparov said DB "The computer was like a 2800 player in the endgame",  i think
>>>>>the DB team said they had all 6 piece and some 8 piece endgame tablebases but i
>>>>>may be mis quoting the team This is a hugh statement coming from one of the best
>>>>>endgame players (Karpov and Smyslov helped with Encyclopedia of Chess Endgames
>>>>>which may not say much lots of errors however Smyslov's Rook Endings is supposed
>>>>>to be really good)
>>>>>
>>>>>So Computers play over 2000 in the endgame for sure
>>>>>Chess Tiger and other programs when it comes to tactics will play over 2000
>>>>>Deep Fritz can make GM draws but even experts 2000-2199 have beaten GM's on
>>>>>occasion so this does NOT say much
>>>>
>>>>The day you have a GM or IM say yes it's as
>>>>>good as me or it is better then i think this confusion will be over.
>>>>
>>>>The confusion is over then, some players have already made such statments to
>>>>this effect.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Mark if God Himself were to come down to earth and declare Computers to be
>>>Grandmaster strength, these people here would still say the aren't, buttom line
>>>is no amount of logic, reason, or results will sway them because it is an
>>>emotional issue with many, some can't accept that computers can do something as
>>>well as humans, so your probally wasteing your time. It seems like common sense
>>>after all these sensational results, but like I said logic doesn't apply here.
>>
>>I once read and I agree with it...computer chess is not man vs. machine, it is
>>man vs man.
>
>Hi Mark,
>I partially disagree with your above statement, since if it deeply true that the
>software was written by a man, it's also true that is powered by a machine, that
>is per-se fail-proof and calculates far more deeply than humans.

But the machine is also a creation of man. :)

>The matter is that some people is embarrassed to admit that some of these
>"stupid machines" are starting to overcome the best human specialists in this
>particular field.
>
>Regards.
>
>
>>
>>So I do not have this emotional issue to bias my judgement.



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