Author: Uri Blass
Date: 10:29:49 08/02/01
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On August 02, 2001 at 10:23:35, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>On August 02, 2001 at 02:04:15, Hristo wrote:
>
>>On August 01, 2001 at 23:39:29, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On August 01, 2001 at 17:29:54, Andrew Williams wrote:
>>>
>>>>The game went:
>>>>
>>>>[Event "ICS Rated standard match"]
>>>>[Site "204.178.125.65"]
>>>>[Date "2001.08.01"]
>>>>[Round "-"]
>>>>[White "tartaruga"]
>>>>[Black "Dreev"]
>>>>[Result "0-1"]
>>>>[WhiteElo "2568"]
>>>>[BlackElo "2835"]
>>>>[TimeControl "7200+10"]
>>>>
>>>>1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Bc4 e6 7. Be3 Be7
>>>>8. f4 O-O 9. Qf3 Nxd4 10. Bxd4 Qa5 11. O-O e5 12. Be3 exf4 13. Qxf4 Be6 14.
>>>>Nd5 Bxd5 15. exd5 Rae8 16. b4 Qc7 17. Bd3 Nd7 18. Bd4 Ne5 19. Qg3 g6 20.
>>>>Bb5 Rc8 21. c3 f5 22. a4 Kh8 23. a5 a6 24. Be2 Bf6 25. Qf4 Qg7 26. Rad1 Nf7
>>>>27. b5 axb5 28. Bxb5 Be5 29. Qd2 Rc7 30. Rde1 Rfc8 31. Re2 Qf6 32. Qb2 Kg7
>>>>33. Bxe5 Nxe5 34. c4 Re7 35. Kh1 Rcc7 36. Rfe1 f4 37. Re4 g5 38. Qd4 Rc5
>>>>39. Qf2 Rc8 40. Qd2 Rcc7 41. Qe2 Ng6 42. Rf1 Rxe4 43. Qxe4 Re7 44. Qf3 Qb2
>>>>45. Rg1 Qd2 46. Qg4 Kf6 47. h3 Qxa5 48. Qc8 Re1 49. Kh2 Rxg1 50. Qe6+ Kg7
>>>>51. Kxg1 Qa1+ 52. Kh2 Qe5 53. Qd7+ Kh6 54. Kh1 Qe1+ 55. Kh2 Qg3+ 56. Kh1 f3
>>>>57. gxf3 Qe1+ 58. Kh2 Qf2+ 59. Kh1 Qxf3+ 60. Kh2 Qe2+ 61. Kg1 Qe1+ 62. Kh2
>>>>Qe2+ 63. Kg1 Nf4 64. Qg4 Qe1+ 65. Kh2 Qf2+ 66. Kh1 b6 67. h4 Qxh4+ 68.
>>>>Qxh4+ gxh4 69. Kg1 Kg5 70. Kf2 Kf5 71. Kf3 Ke5 72. Kg4 h3 73. Kg3 Kd4 74.
>>>>Kh2 Nd3 75. Kxh3 Ne5 76. Kh4 Nxc4
>>>>{tartaruga resigns} 0-1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Deep Fritz was on a Dual 1GHz PIII
>>>>
>>>>Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>>Maybe Frans will get off that marketing hype crap and stop with the
>>>"deep fritz is as good or better than Deep Blue and is ready for Kramnik"
>>>junk now.
>>
>>Why should he stop? He probably doesn't care that it is _only_ hype, so long as,
>>he makes money at the end! Why should his _hype_ be considered more _junk_ than
>>IBM's hype?
>>
>>cheers Bob. ;-)
>>hristo
>
>
>My problem with his statement is that I _know_ that he knows it is false, if
>he really made it in the first place. He _knows_ because he has played them
>more than once OTB at ACM/WCCC events.
The last time that he played against them he used only Fritz3 on p90.
Knowing that Deep thought is better than Fritz3(p90) does not mean knowing that
Deeper blue is better than Deep Fritz on good SMP machine.
I agree that Deeper blue was better than Deep thought but I do not know if it
was practically the same as being 100 times faster.
It is possible that it was practically only at the same level of being 10 times
faster than Deep thought because of bugs.
I also do not buy the claim that it has no chances because of the gap in nodes.
I am not sure if Deep Fritz with 2M nodes per second is going to lose in a match
against old programs like Fritz3 with 200M nodes per second at tournament time
control.
One reason is better search rules of Deep fritz and another reason is better
evaluation of Deep Fritz.
I believe that Deep Fritz has also better evaluation and better search rules
than Deeper blue.
Uri
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