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Subject: Re: Can Deep Fritz 7 find better moves than Deep Blue in 1997 ??

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 19:03:40 08/09/01

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On August 09, 2001 at 18:36:13, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On August 09, 2001 at 09:31:05, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>Well when there was a 10 men double rook endgame
>left on the board which DB kept a draw against Kasparov,
>at the time there was a 10 men, the IBM PR department shouted
>directly after the match: "here the IBM machine played perfect
>chess because all those moves were in its endgame databases"

That is probably correct.  With 10 pieces on the board, and a very deep
search, I wouldn't be surprised to see them in the TBs everywhere.  Chinook
hits the TBs 70% of the time from the opening move, in checkers.  That is
pretty wild.  The DB statement is not very far from reality at all.  Certainly
it looks credible when compared with the nonsense hype from ChessBase...



>
>Though you and i probably know that they most likeley didn't have
>10 men endgame table bases.
>
>Talking about PR crap... ...i find it good this PR crap, not that
>i'm there to increase sales for chessbase, but to get more
>attention to the chess world again.
>
>Because right now everyone still says: "chess is solved by IBM back
>in 1997". that's what the average scientists thinks about chess.

If Kramnik blasts DF, this will not change one thing about the DB result.
If DF blasts Kramnik, it will only strengthen the claim.





>
>Perhaps 0.0000001% of that damage can be undone now by the same type
>of misinformation.
>
>>On August 09, 2001 at 07:12:11, Tanya Deborah wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi!
>>>
>>>Is really Deep Fritz running in 8 processors stronger that Deep Blue (97)???
>>>
>>>
>>>I hear that Deep Fritz 7 will see 5 millions nodes per second. It is enough to
>>>beat the World Champion???
>>>
>>>I think that if Deep Fritz could see 500 millions nodes per second, Kramnik will
>>>be dead.
>>>
>>>And why i find an article that said that Deep Fritz 7 recently beat Deep Blue,
>>>the same machine that beat Kasparov in 1997.  It is true?????  Where i can find
>>>the games??
>>>
>>
>>No it is not true. It is the most atrocious bit of marketing hyperbole I have
>>seen in many years.  Perhaps IBM will take notice and then ChessBase will have
>>a different kind of competition to handle.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Thanks a lot!
>>>
>>>
>>>Tanya D.



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