Author: Tony Hedlund
Date: 06:38:54 08/24/01
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On August 24, 2001 at 08:52:51, Mark Young wrote: >On August 24, 2001 at 07:58:08, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On August 24, 2001 at 07:51:16, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On August 24, 2001 at 07:29:21, Günther Simon wrote: >>> >>>>On August 24, 2001 at 07:15:30, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On August 24, 2001 at 07:06:51, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Here are the results by >>>>>>elostat program >>>>>> >>>>>>You can see that shredder is only 3th place micro based on the performance. >>>>>>Shredder is the world Micro champion by definition but Tiger and Rebel had a >>>>>>better performance. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>1 Deep Junior 7 : 2745 228 281 9 88.9 % 2384 22.2 % >>>>>>2 Quest (DeepFritz) : 2550 266 169 9 66.7 % 2430 44.4 % >>>>>>3 Chess Tiger 14.6 Gambit Tiger : 2499 291 229 9 55.6 % 2461 22.2 % >>>>>>4 Crafty 18.10X : 2467 291 165 9 55.6 % 2428 44.4 % >>>>>>5 Rebel : 2466 291 229 9 55.6 % 2428 22.2 % >>>>>>6 Shredder : 2466 266 249 9 66.7 % 2346 22.2 % >>>>>>7 Goliath : 2421 291 165 9 55.6 % 2382 44.4 % >>>>>>8 Gromit 3.9.5 : 2364 278 201 9 61.1 % 2285 33.3 % >>>>>>9 Ferret : 2359 291 229 9 55.6 % 2320 22.2 >>>>>>%10 Gandalf 5.0 : 2310 291 229 9 55.6 % 2271 22.2 >>>>>>% >>>>>>11 ParSOS : 2256 291 229 9 55.6 % 2217 22.2 % >>>>>>12 Diep : 2227 165 291 9 44.4 % 2265 44.4 % >>>>>>13 IsiChess X : 2166 201 278 9 38.9 % 2245 33.3 % >>>>>>14 Tao : 2165 229 291 9 44.4 % 2203 22.2 % >>>>>>15 Ruy Lopez : 2118 366 266 9 33.3 % 2238 0.0 % >>>>>>16 Pharaon : 2082 169 266 9 33.3 % 2202 44.4 % >>>>>>17 SpiderGirl : 2014 213 255 9 27.8 % 2180 33.3 % >>>>>>18 XiNiX : 1724 400 108 9 5.6 % 2216 11.1 % >>>>>> >>>>>>congratulation also for the Deep Junior team for winning the event convincingly >>>>>>when the difference from the second place is almost 200 elo and the hardware >>>>>>explain less than 70 elo difference. >>>>>> >>>>>>Uri >>>>> >>>>>I can add that I think that it may be a better idea to use elostat to decide >>>>>about the world champion in the future. >>>>> >>>>>I know that a lot of people are going to disagree but it is my opinion. >>>>>I prefer a complicated method that does more justive and not a simple method. >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>> >>>>Sorry Uri - but this is really nonsens. >>>>You cant use ELO-Stat on a Swiss Tournament with 9 rounds as >>>>it is described by the author. ELO-Stat is designed to calculate >>>>ratings out of a pool of unknown rated progs with a very very lot >>>>of games. >>>>Therefor if you take a closer look at your table you would see that >>>>the error margin is at least 435!pts (Pharaon) and max 632!! (RuyLopez). >>>>And would you really believe Parallel SOS to be at 2256? :)) >>> >>>The question is not which program is better. >>>competitions of 9 rounds are not supposed to answer this question. >>> >>>The question is which program did better result. >>>The elostat answer this question better than the ranking >>> >>>The rating is also based on average of 2300 if I remember corectly and should >>>not be compared with humans. >>> >>> >>>>You must be a strong Tigerfan to post this very unlike post, as it >>>>is diametral to all your previous posts about stats?! >>> >>>I do not see contradiction with previous posts of myself. >>> >>>>(Btw hasnt Shredder won against Tiger or am I out of memory?) >>> >>>Yes >>>Shredder won against tiger. >>> >>>Uri >> >>I can add congratulations for crafty for being the best amatuer. >>I here that Gromit won the title of the best amatuer and it is unfair because >>Crafty was more than 100 elo better >> >>I know that Gromit beated Crafty in the last round but it does not change the >>fact that Crafty was more than 100 elo better based on elostat. >> >>Uri > >A nine round Swiss tournament to determine the computer world championship in my >mind makes the title world champion a joke. This is nothing more then another >computer chess tournament. To draw any conclusions from this one tournament and >then declare the winner to be the world champion makes me sick. If the title of >computer world champion means the winner is declared the strongest computer >program. And why a odd numbers of rounds? Why not 10 rounds, then the players get five white and five black games. Tony
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