Author: Miguel A. Ballicora
Date: 07:36:42 08/24/01
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On August 24, 2001 at 10:34:38, Mark Young wrote: >On August 24, 2001 at 10:12:50, Miguel A. Ballicora wrote: > >>On August 24, 2001 at 10:04:45, Mark Young wrote: >> >>>On August 24, 2001 at 09:37:13, Ulrich Tuerke wrote: >>> >>>>On August 24, 2001 at 08:52:51, Mark Young wrote: >>>> >>>>>On August 24, 2001 at 07:58:08, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On August 24, 2001 at 07:51:16, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On August 24, 2001 at 07:29:21, Günther Simon wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On August 24, 2001 at 07:15:30, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On August 24, 2001 at 07:06:51, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Here are the results by >>>>>>>>>>elostat program >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>You can see that shredder is only 3th place micro based on the performance. >>>>>>>>>>Shredder is the world Micro champion by definition but Tiger and Rebel had a >>>>>>>>>>better performance. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>1 Deep Junior 7 : 2745 228 281 9 88.9 % 2384 22.2 % >>>>>>>>>>2 Quest (DeepFritz) : 2550 266 169 9 66.7 % 2430 44.4 % >>>>>>>>>>3 Chess Tiger 14.6 Gambit Tiger : 2499 291 229 9 55.6 % 2461 22.2 % >>>>>>>>>>4 Crafty 18.10X : 2467 291 165 9 55.6 % 2428 44.4 % >>>>>>>>>>5 Rebel : 2466 291 229 9 55.6 % 2428 22.2 % >>>>>>>>>>6 Shredder : 2466 266 249 9 66.7 % 2346 22.2 % >>>>>>>>>>7 Goliath : 2421 291 165 9 55.6 % 2382 44.4 % >>>>>>>>>>8 Gromit 3.9.5 : 2364 278 201 9 61.1 % 2285 33.3 % >>>>>>>>>>9 Ferret : 2359 291 229 9 55.6 % 2320 22.2 >>>>>>>>>>%10 Gandalf 5.0 : 2310 291 229 9 55.6 % 2271 22.2 >>>>>>>>>>% >>>>>>>>>>11 ParSOS : 2256 291 229 9 55.6 % 2217 22.2 % >>>>>>>>>>12 Diep : 2227 165 291 9 44.4 % 2265 44.4 % >>>>>>>>>>13 IsiChess X : 2166 201 278 9 38.9 % 2245 33.3 % >>>>>>>>>>14 Tao : 2165 229 291 9 44.4 % 2203 22.2 % >>>>>>>>>>15 Ruy Lopez : 2118 366 266 9 33.3 % 2238 0.0 % >>>>>>>>>>16 Pharaon : 2082 169 266 9 33.3 % 2202 44.4 % >>>>>>>>>>17 SpiderGirl : 2014 213 255 9 27.8 % 2180 33.3 % >>>>>>>>>>18 XiNiX : 1724 400 108 9 5.6 % 2216 >>>> >>>> >>>>LOOK AT THE ERROR MARGINS ! ELOstat is in perfect agreement with everything. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 11.1 % >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>congratulation also for the Deep Junior team for winning the event convincingly >>>>>>>>>>when the difference from the second place is almost 200 elo and the hardware >>>>>>>>>>explain less than 70 elo difference. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Uri >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I can add that I think that it may be a better idea to use elostat to decide >>>>>>>>>about the world champion in the future. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I know that a lot of people are going to disagree but it is my opinion. >>>>>>>>>I prefer a complicated method that does more justive and not a simple method. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Uri >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Sorry Uri - but this is really nonsens. >>>>>>>>You cant use ELO-Stat on a Swiss Tournament with 9 rounds as >>>>>>>>it is described by the author. ELO-Stat is designed to calculate >>>>>>>>ratings out of a pool of unknown rated progs with a very very lot >>>>>>>>of games. >>>>>>>>Therefor if you take a closer look at your table you would see that >>>>>>>>the error margin is at least 435!pts (Pharaon) and max 632!! (RuyLopez). >>>>>>>>And would you really believe Parallel SOS to be at 2256? :)) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The question is not which program is better. >>>>>>>competitions of 9 rounds are not supposed to answer this question. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The question is which program did better result. >>>>>>>The elostat answer this question better than the ranking >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The rating is also based on average of 2300 if I remember corectly and should >>>>>>>not be compared with humans. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>You must be a strong Tigerfan to post this very unlike post, as it >>>>>>>>is diametral to all your previous posts about stats?! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I do not see contradiction with previous posts of myself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>(Btw hasnt Shredder won against Tiger or am I out of memory?) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Yes >>>>>>>Shredder won against tiger. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Uri >>>>>> >>>>>>I can add congratulations for crafty for being the best amatuer. >>>>>>I here that Gromit won the title of the best amatuer and it is unfair because >>>>>>Crafty was more than 100 elo better >>>>>> >>>>>>I know that Gromit beated Crafty in the last round but it does not change the >>>>>>fact that Crafty was more than 100 elo better based on elostat. >>>>>> >>>>>>Uri >>>>> >>>>>A nine round Swiss tournament to determine the computer world championship in my >>>>>mind makes the title world champion a joke. This is nothing more then another >>>>>computer chess tournament. To draw any conclusions from this one tournament and >>>>>then declare the winner to be the world champion makes me sick. If the title of >>>>>computer world champion means the winner is declared the strongest computer >>>>>program. >>>> >>>>It's just the same with human tournaments. The world champion is determined as >>>>the winner of a special tournament. >>> >>>Not Correct, yes they play tournaments, but never using the Swiss tournament >>>system. >>> >>>> >>>>That's an exciting and interesting way to determine the champion and I seriously >>>>can't see what's wrong with this. >>> >>>You don't see a problem with an open tournament with only 9 rounds to declar a >>>world champion? No Human Champion has ever been declared this way. >> >>Yes, every single year the Junior World Champion is declared after >>a swiss tournament. In fact, preliminary qualifiers for the FIDE title >>are also swiss tournaments. The Panamerican just finished with 140+ strong >>players (Yermolinsky won). > >That is the point, you play qualifiers not 1 open tournament to declar the Human >World Champion. So you must play much more then 9 rounds in one *open* >Tournament. The final of the World Junior Ch is Swiss. Regards, Miguel > >> >>Regards, >>Miguel
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