Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 13:08:25 08/29/01
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On August 29, 2001 at 14:23:43, Uri Blass wrote: >On August 29, 2001 at 13:21:59, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On August 29, 2001 at 12:49:16, Derrick Daniels wrote: >> >>>On August 28, 2001 at 06:25:48, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>> >>>>On August 27, 2001 at 16:30:07, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>the only one that beated kasparov is kasparov himself. >>>> >>>>You know that and i know that, and even the last match he >>>>again seemed to get away with his FM/IM level of play. >>> >>> >>> This is nonsense Vincent and you know it, since when has Kasparov ever >>>performed at the FM IM level??? When he was 14 he was playing at Grandmaster >>>level, the machine could not have psyched him out that much, in fact he had more >>>experience playiing machines then any other grandmaster at that time, atleast >>>publicly. >>> >> >>This is the only way to explain Kasparov's loss without accepting the idea >>that DB2 was an incredibly strong chess machine. Kasparov said it was. But >>others seem to "know more"... > >Note that I did not say that kasparov played like an IM and I believe that >Deeper blue as something that is not available to the public had super GM >strength. I was not refering to you, there. Vincent likes to use that FM/IM stuff to refer to Kasparov's play during the DB match. > >I believe the top programs of today are also at 2700 level if the opponents >cannot buy them and I guess that if Dark thought >is going to play in tournaments without being available to the public it is >going to get rating of 2700. I don't believe that. It has enough positional weaknesses that the surprise factor wouldn't last very long. The same for _most_ programs. A program like DB, developed in a lab with lots of GM advice, is not going to have the same kinds of positional weaknesses at all. Most will already be found by the GMs that are helping. A program that doesn't play GMs is going to have more than its fair share of weaknesses. From _lots_ of my own experience with finding these weaknesses. > >A program that I consider as probably weaker like P.conner already got a GM >norm. > >Uri I once won a bunch of money at a poker table in Las Vegas, too. But overall, the odds don't support that happening a lot.
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