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Subject: Re: NEW DEFINITION of Amateur, Semi-pro and Pro in game-development

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 14:30:50 08/29/01

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On August 29, 2001 at 16:41:54, Theo van der Storm wrote:
>On August 29, 2001 at 05:37:17, Ulrich Tuerke wrote:
>>>1. Amateur:
>>>   You cannot be an amateur if you earn money by the selling of your program,
>>>   (that would be a commercial interest), so the amateurs cannot be receiving
>>>   money from the game-company...
>>How about programmers who had once (say 2 years ago) obtained an amount of money
>>for publishing their program (i guess young talents fall into this). Do they
>>have to be non-Amateurs for the rest of their lives ?
>>
>>I'm sorry, but I think it's not possible to make a clear and fair
>>classification.
>I think it is possible.
>Even if my text is still not good anough and needs a lawyer to fix it.
>Here goes my 1,5ct worth:
>
>amateur:
>A programmer is an amateur if he is not a professional,
>nor an employd scientist involved with game-theory at any time
>and has not received money for his game-development in the last 12 months.

The 12 month requirement is a contradiction of "once a professional, always a
professional"

>semi-professional:
>A programmer is a semi-professional if he is not an amateur nor a professional.
>
>professional:
>A programmer is a professional if during any full year his income
>from game-development has been bigger than any other part of his income.

What if he has a large stock portfolio, but works on computer chess programming
12 hours a day, 6 days a week for a computer chess company?

How will you discover someone's real income?  In many countries, tax records are
not publicly available.

>So:
>Once a professional, always a professional.
>A professional in Chess-programming must also be considered a
>professional in Amazons-programming.
>Switching between amateur and semi-professional is possible
>depending on the circumstances.
>
>> IMHO, one should omit this nonsense completely.
>IMHO,   one should omit this needless frustration completely.
>As a matter of fact in the Dutch Computer-chess championship we
>never had such a distinction and I'm not proposing to introduce it either.
>So my text is just an advice in case ICCA does continue on this road.
>
>>Regards, Uli
>>...
>>>I feel the definitions need mending. My internet connection is about
>>>to break due to idle(eh?) time, so I cannot give my proposed exact
>>>definitions yet. Maybe later.
>>>
>>>Theo
>Theo van der Storm (I'm back)

I don't see any clear solution.

Why do the professional programs have to pay so much?
What are the expenses involved that require such large fees?
I would think that a sponsoring university could be found that would not charge
thousands of dollars for the use of the fascilities.



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