Author: Chris Taylor
Date: 16:21:24 08/30/01
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On August 30, 2001 at 19:02:55, Christophe Theron wrote: >On August 30, 2001 at 18:24:38, Peter Berger wrote: > >>A hot topic on CCC these days seems to be how hardware and software advances in >>computerchess correlate during the last >>10 years. >> >>After reading a lot of interesting posts this morning I felt inspired to do a >>little experiment. >> >>Mark Young wants to do experiments with older programs on present hardware and >>is convinced he'll find out that the newer >>programs will show considerable progress. >> >>I agree to his expectations. >> >>A few posters suggested that top chessprograms advanced about 200 ELO points in >>software alone in the last 10 years . >> >>Depends .. >> >>New programs will take advance of the superior hardware availlable also in >>design probably - so this test should be taken into >>both directions IMHO. >> >>So - looking around in my room my eyes suddenly feel on a dusty 486 computer >>sleeping in the corner of my room - and then >>suddenly my Palm began to beep in the briefcase ( the truth , not made-up) . >> >>In advance : there has been convincing data posted that Chess Tiger on a Palm is >>probably stronger than Chess Genius on a >>Palm by Werner Schuele. >>As Chess Genius on a Palm is said to be a port of the Mephisto Roma to Palm >>architecture >>we are talking about at least 14 years of development here though. >> >>So the contenders : >> >>Genius 4 ( which isn't supposed to be superior to Genius 3 in public opinion - >>so 10 years isn't far away) >>on my 486DX50 computer ( in fact I don't really remember if it is 50 or 33 Mhz >>and dunno how to test) - >>so let's assume the 50 here with 4 MB RAM , so 1 MB availlable for hash >>-> clearly a program of the past >> >>against >> >>ChessTiger 14.1 on Palm Vx overclocked as much as possible with AfterBurner -> >>clearly a present top program >> >>I am no hardware freak so if this is very unfair I should be informed - it's >>simply what was availlable here. >> >>I decided on games in 15 minutes ( dunno why ) . > > > >There is a big speed difference between the PalmVx, even if overclocked, and a >486, even if only 33MHz. > >The 486 executes one instruction in average every 2 clock cycles (if I'm wrong, >someone please correct me). > >The DragonBall inside the Palm (a 68000 core) executes one instruction every 10 >to 15 clock cycles (once again, if I'm wrong...). > >So there seems to be, at equal clock frequency, a difference of 5 to 8 times in >speed. > >Not even talking about the difference in hash table size (48Kb for Tiger Palm, >1Mb for Genius PC), book size (64Kb for Tiger, how much for Genius?), and lack >of permanent brain for the current Palm version of Chess Tiger. > >The challenge seems quite difficult for Chess Tiger. > >Maybe one way to level things a little bit would be to play game in one hour and >to turn permanent brain OFF in Genius. > > > > Christophe Since modern computers are much faster, can't you play blitz? Give them less time and slow things to a p90..... Game in 5 min game in 3 min Think I read somewhere Genius was optimised for the slower computers. That being the case, this wont be fair. That being the case, no doubt someone will say so! Chris Taylor
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