Author: Eduard Nemeth
Date: 15:42:18 09/04/01
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On September 04, 2001 at 18:20:14, Uri Blass wrote: >On September 04, 2001 at 18:08:15, Eduard Nemeth wrote: > >>On September 04, 2001 at 15:39:29, Sune Larsson wrote: >> >>>>snip >>> >>>>what did you do to your tiger? >>>>Are you sure that you use the default parameters? >>>>I do not understand why it cannot go deep >>>> >>>>Here is tiger14 under the chessbase interface >>>>Maybe it is a problem of hash tables(I used 48 Mbytes hash) but I cannot believe >>>>that hash tables have this big effect) >>> >>> >>> No, it was not the hash tables. I had activated the feature >>> "opponent is human". Then Tiger needed 7 sec to avoid 29.Be3? >>> When I deactivated it I got about the same output as you. >>> Then Tiger got deep much faster but stuck to 29.Be3? Fast but dumb >>> in this position. You can try it out in Fritz. >>> >>> Sune >>> >>> >>>>New game - Deep Fritz >>>>[D]4k3/B1p4p/8/p2n1p2/5P2/5P2/1P2K2P/8 w - - 0 1 >>>> >>>>Analysis by Chess Tiger 14.0: >>>> >>>>29.Be3 Nxe3 30.Kxe3 Kd7 31.Kd4 Kd6 32.Kc4 Kc6 33.Kb3 Kb5 34.Kc3 Kc6 >>>> = (0.00) Depth: 12 00:00:00 146kN >>>>29.Be3 Nxe3 30.Kxe3 c5 31.Kd3 Kd7 32.Kc4 Kc6 33.Kb3 Kb5 34.Kc3 h5 35.Kd3 >>>> = (-0.02) Depth: 12 00:00:00 164kN >>>>29.Be3 Nxe3 30.Kxe3 c5 31.Kd3 Kd7 32.Kc4 Kc6 33.b3 Kb6 34.h4 h5 35.Kd3 Kc6 >>>> = (-0.12) Depth: 13 00:00:00 299kN >>>>29.Be3 Nxe3 30.Kxe3 c5 31.Kd3 Kd7 32.Kc4 Kc6 33.h4 a4 34.h5 h6 35.Kd3 Kd6 36.Ke3 >>>> = (-0.14) Depth: 14 00:00:01 591kN >>>>29.Be3 Nxe3 30.Kxe3 c5 31.Kd3 Kd7 32.Kc4 Kc6 33.b3 Kb6 34.h4 Kc6 35.h5 h6 36.Kc3 >>>>Kd5 >>>> = (-0.12) Depth: 15 00:00:03 1246kN >>>>29.Be3 Nxe3 30.Kxe3 c5 31.Kd3 Kd7 32.Kc4 Kc6 33.h4 a4 34.h5 h6 35.Kd3 Kd5 36.Kc3 >>>>Ke6 37.Kc4 >>>> = (-0.14) Depth: 16 00:00:06 2125kN >>>>29.Be3 Nxe3 30.Kxe3 c5 31.Kd3 Kd7 32.Kc4 Kc6 33.h4 a4 34.h5 h6 35.Kd3 Kd5 36.Kc3 >>>>Ke6 37.Kc4 Kd6 >>>> = (-0.14) Depth: 17 00:00:13 4407kN >>>>29.Be3 Nxe3 30.Kxe3 c5 31.Kd3 Kd7 32.Kc4 Kc6 33.b3 Kb6 34.h3 Kc6 35.h4 Kb6 >>>>36.Kd5 h5 37.Kc4 Kc6 38.Kc3 >>>> = (-0.14) Depth: 18 00:00:25 8223kN >>>> >>>>(Blass, Tel-aviv 04.09.2001) >>>> >>>>You can see that my tiger goes deeper in less nodes. >>>> >>>>Uri >> >>Yes I played NOT with option Anti-Human. >>I ask me, which is the "true" Tiger? >>When the true Tiger is with option Anti-Human, then i my opinion it is not >>right to say: Anti-Human! Right is "Anti-Computer"! >> >>(german: Ich frage mich welcher nun der wahre Tiger ist, der mit der Option >>Anti-Human oder der ohne diese Option? Wenn insgesamt jener Tiger mit der Option >>Anti-Human besser spielt, dann sollte man diese ANTI-Option anders definieren, >>nämlich auf "Anti-Computer"! Das würde aber weiter heissen dass der wahre Tiger >>nur gegen den Menschen auftritt, während gegen Computer eine auf Computer >>"GETUNTE" (!) Version antritt und ich würde das wenn's so ist (?) "Schummeln" >>nennen! Dennoch vermag diese Anti-Human option den schwarzen Sieg nach Be3 nicht >>zu sehen.) >> >>Nevertheless, Tiger 14 with option "Anti-Numan" cannot seen the win for black >>against Be3! >> >>Chess Tiger 14.0 - Nemeth,E >> >>[D]4k3/2p4p/8/p2n1p2/5P2/4BP2/1P2K2P/8 b - - 0 1 >> >>Analysis by Chess Tiger 14.0 (anti-human): >> >>29...Kd7 30.Ld2 a4 31.Kd3 c5 32.h4 h6 33.Kc4 Kc6 34.Lc1 Sb6+ 35.Kc3 Sd5+ 36.Kc4 >> = (0.00) Tiefe: 16 00:00:16 4116kN >>29...Kd7 30.Ld2 a4 31.Kd3 c5 32.h4 h6 33.Kc4 Kc6 34.Lc1 Sb6+ 35.Kc3 Sd5+ 36.Kc4 >> = (0.00) Tiefe: 17 00:00:33 8330kN, tb=1 >>29...Kd7 30.Ld2 a4 31.Kd3 c5 32.h4 h6 33.Kc4 Kc6 34.Lc1 Sb6+ 35.Kc3 Sd5+ 36.Kc4 >> = (0.00) Tiefe: 18 00:01:12 17827kN, tb=7 >>29...Kd7 30.Ld2 a4 31.Kd3 c5 32.h4 h6 33.Kc4 Kc6 34.Lc1 Sb6+ 35.Kc3 Sd5+ 36.Kc4 >> = (0.00) Tiefe: 19 00:02:41 39300kN, tb=74 >> >>Nxe3 is the win move! >> >>Eduard > >Tiger with anti-human simply dislikes pawn endgames >I guess that it assumes that the opponent knows more about pawn endgames so it >adds a small negative number for pawn endgames that is enough to avoid going >into a pawn endgame in these cases. > >Uri I understand now, thanks! Ok, in future I will play openings where I can have a endgame! In endgames + anti-human,Tiger is also not strong! ;-) But, against other computers Tiger cannot play with this option, yes? :) Eduard
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