Author: Slater Wold
Date: 23:55:23 09/09/01
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On September 10, 2001 at 02:23:48, Uri Blass wrote: >On September 09, 2001 at 23:55:43, Terry McCracken wrote: > >>On September 09, 2001 at 20:37:43, Slater Wold wrote: >> >>>On September 09, 2001 at 19:59:46, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On September 09, 2001 at 19:44:59, Slater Wold wrote: >>>> >>>>>On September 09, 2001 at 19:26:03, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On September 09, 2001 at 16:18:36, K. Burcham wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>game 2 deep blue moves >>>>>>> >>>>>>>26. f4 >>>>>>>37. Be4 >>>>>> >>>>>>Be4 is a bad move. 37.Qb6 is winning there because it goes to a won >>>>>>opposite bishops endgame (if you toss pieces with black) which directly >>>>>>explains why some programs want to make this move. >>>>> >>>>>Anand seems to disagree with you. You can disagree with me all you want, but I >>>>>think an arguement on the best chess move against Anand is going to be a short >>>>>one. >>>> >>>>I know that I cannot trust analysis of GM's not because they are stupid but >>>>because they usually do not spend a lot of time about their analysis and often >>>>do not use computers to investigate if they are right or wrong. >>>> >>>>It is a fact that Peter leko is not very good in correspondence games based on >>>>his ICCF rating and I believe that the main reason is simply the fact that >>>>average players who waste a lot of time about their games are simply better than >>>>super GM's who do not waste time about their corresondence games. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>> >>>LOL - Geez. No matter what I say............ >>> >>>Someone here always has a reason why Deep Blue was wrong when Deep Fritz cannot >>>find its move.....even when one of the top 3 GM's in the world agrees it's the >>>best move, you still have a reason why it's not. >>> >>>Look at the commentary for the moves. All GM's (and even Kaspy himself) who >>>were at the game (and/or watching it) all agree Be4 is the move to make. >>> >>> >>>Slate >> >>I concur Slate! >> >>Why Diepeeven still goes on about DB and Be4 etc. beats the hell out of me? >> >>Now he'll reply and say I'm calling him an asshole again! ;o) >> >> >>Mr. Diepeeven, I think you're an intelligent man, very good chess player and >>programmer. >> >>However, I don't understand your attitude about DB II or your opinion of >>Kasparov, IE "He played like a child etc.? > >Note that I did not say that he played like a child and I remember that ernst >heinz gave an analysis of many hours that suggested that Qb6 is the best move. > >The main problem is that the analysis was done at that time and >humans simply did not have strong machines to help them and they did not give >their machines many hours to analyze. > >I believe that the main line of Deep Fritz with Ra5 was not mentioned at that >time but if I am wrong then you can correct me. > >I did not check if Qb6 is winning but my impression is that the game move is not >winning. > >If people want to convince me that the game move was winning then the first step >is to show me how white win against Deep Fritz in a correspondence game after >the game move. > >Uri You keep saying this nonsense about GM's using computers to analyze their moves. What is this all about?! You think Fischer used a computer to determine if what he thought was correct? Hell no! My guess is, he still doesn't. Last time I checked, programmers ask GM's if the moves are correct, not the GM's ask the computers! All these games that Eduard wins against these engines, you think they are suggesting the moves he is making? Once again, hell no! I am going to believe a GM (especially a super-gm) over a computer, even after the computer looks at it for 100 hours, and the GM looks at it for 1 minute. Nunn, Anand, and Ashley have all said that Be4 is the correct move. You're going to have get a little more than Deep Fritz and Heinz to make the think otherwise here. Sorry. And like I said when I posted it, argue with Anand, not me. I understand Vince is (and you might be too) a good chess player, but his arguement with Anand are going to be short lived. Slate
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