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Subject: Re: Crafty WAC Results

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 07:21:12 09/13/01

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On September 12, 2001 at 19:28:15, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On September 12, 2001 at 19:13:13, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>
>>On September 12, 2001 at 18:38:07, Slater Wold wrote:
>>
>>>I tested Crafty against the 300 WAC positions, yesterday and today.
>>>
>>>The tests were run with 48M of hash, and 10M of hashp.  Also all 5 piece TB were
>>>in place, and the machine was a 2x1.4Ghz that gets roughly 1.41M nps on the
>>>bench test.  (That's with the hash.  With nothing but smpmt 2, it gets 1.44M.)
>>>
>>>1 second = 275/300 (Interestly, Deep Shredder get 274/300 in this test.)
>>>
>>>3 seconds = 293/300
>>>
>>>5 seconds = 294/300
>>>
>>>10 seconds = 295/300
>>>
>>>60 seconds = 296/300
>>
>>WAC is a dumb test when you have a program at this level.  You can throw out all
>>but about 10 of them, and you still have something that's hard to use to test a
>>program at a sensible time control, because the remainder are either too easy
>>(still) or too hard.
>
>I think you're wrong.

>In fact, I think that this test may have uncovered some problem with crafty.
>I used to get a better score on a slower machine.  I suspect some minor thing
>may have got broken.  Either than, or an evaluation term may have been changed
>that plays better in real games but plays worse on test suites.

In that case it's a waste of time to use the WAC positions to test that.

There are more effective methods than WAC to show uncovered problems!

>I don't think you can throw out any of them, unless it gets them right.  How
>will you know it got them right unless you run it.


>As a side point, sometimes chess engines discover new solutions to the problems
>when run at longer time controls.  That is an interesting finding, to me at
>least.

I find it nonsense, of course in completely won positions any move will
win. Even nullmoving and a move later playing a good one is enough to win.

If you are busy with WACs you keep wasting your time. get some stuff from
informators then!


>What are you trying to accomplish when you run a test suite?



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