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Subject: Re: wrong mainline

Author: Slater Wold

Date: 17:42:34 09/15/01

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On September 15, 2001 at 20:12:05, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On September 15, 2001 at 18:37:06, Slater Wold wrote:
>
>>On September 15, 2001 at 17:12:37, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>[D]8/p4bpk/7p/3rq3/3Npp2/PPQ3P1/3R1PKP/8 w - - 3 32
>
>f3?
>
>[snip]
>>Let's try something with SE.  :)
>>
>>Nimzo 8 - W,S
>>8/p4bpk/7p/3rq3/3Npp2/PPQ3P1/3R1PKP/8 w - - 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Nimzo 8:
>[snip]
>>1.gxf4
>>  µ  (-0.81)   Depth: 9/23   00:00:04  4125kN
>>1.gxf4
>>  -+  (-1.41)   Depth: 9/23   00:00:05  5255kN
>>1.gxf4 Qxf4 2.Qe3 Rg5+ 3.Kh1 Qg4 4.f3 exf3 5.Qf2 Bd5 6.b4
>>  -+  (-1.57)   Depth: 9/23   00:00:07  7518kN
>>1.gxf4 Qxf4 2.Qe3 Rg5+ 3.Kf1 Qxh2 4.Qxe4+ Bg6 5.Qe3 Rg1+ 6.Ke2
>>  -+  (-1.84)   Depth: 10/25   00:00:20  22223kN
>>1.gxf4
>>  -+  (-2.29)   Depth: 11/26   00:00:46  53952kN
>>1.gxf4 Qxf4 2.Kh1 Rg5 3.f3 exf3 4.Rf2 Bd5 5.Qc2+ g6 6.Qc3
>>  -+  (-2.62)   Depth: 11/26   00:00:54  62970kN
>>1.f3
>>  -+  (-2.61)   Depth: 11/26   00:02:05  148328kN
>>1.f3 e3 2.Rd3 fxg3 3.Ne2 gxh2 4.Qxe5 Rxe5 5.Kxh2 Kg6 6.f4
>>  -+  (-2.26)   Depth: 11/26   00:02:15  161057kN
>>1.f3 e3 2.Rd3 fxg3 3.Ne2 gxh2 4.Qxe5 Rxe5 5.Kxh2 Be6 6.Kg3
>>  -+  (-2.24)   Depth: 12/28   00:02:36  186147kN
>
>>(W,  15.08.2001)
>>TA-DA!
>
>note that after f3 the move Bh5 wins tactical bigtime. Nimzo amazingly
>hasn't smelt it yet here. e3 is leading to the endgame from which
>i think DB misevaluated it bigtime. So does nimzo of course, but
>not so weird is that a preprocessor misses after f3 that Bh5 wins
>bigtime, hmm perhaps it is dissappointing, because IMHO it's a simple
>tactical win!
>
>What might matter is that you perhaps had turned on 'futility' forward
>pruning last 2 plies?
>
>Perhaps checkout next time the tactical line it outputs first before
>saying TADA :)
>
>>Who says SE is a bad thing?  :)
>
>I'm pretty sure that DIEP has more SE than nimzo ever will, but the
>'piece threat' extensions are picking up for nimzo huge amount of tactics
>usual!
>
>Anyway, it's not about 'who has more extensions' here. it's about the fact
>that f3 is a major blunder!
>
>>Slate

Nimzo 8 - W,S
8/p4bpk/7p/3rq3/3Npp2/PPQ3P1/3R1PKP/8 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Nimzo 8:

1.Kg1
  =  (0.19)   Depth: 3/14   00:00:00
1.Kg1 g6 2.b4
  =  (-0.06)   Depth: 3/14   00:00:00
1.Kg1 g6 2.b4
  =  (-0.06)   Depth: 3/14   00:00:00
1.Kg1 g6 2.b4
  =  (-0.06)   Depth: 3/14   00:00:00
1.Kg1 g6 2.b4
  =  (-0.06)   Depth: 3/14   00:00:00
1.Kg1 g6 2.b4
  =  (-0.06)   Depth: 3/14   00:00:00
1.Kg1 g6 2.b4
  =  (-0.06)   Depth: 3/14   00:00:00
1.Kg1 g6 2.b4
  =  (-0.06)   Depth: 5/17   00:00:00
1.Kg1
  ³  (-0.51)   Depth: 5/17   00:00:00
1.Kg1
  µ  (-1.11)   Depth: 5/17   00:00:00
1.Kg1 e3 2.fxe3 Qxe3+ 3.Qxe3 fxe3 4.Rd3 e2
  µ  (-1.32)   Depth: 5/17   00:00:00
1.h3
  µ  (-1.31)   Depth: 5/17   00:00:00
1.h3 e3 2.fxe3 fxe3 3.Rd1 Bg6 4.Qb4
  µ  (-1.00)   Depth: 5/17   00:00:00
1.gxf4
  µ  (-0.99)   Depth: 5/17   00:00:00
1.gxf4 Qxf4 2.Qe3 Rg5+ 3.Kh1 Qxe3 4.fxe3
  ³  (-0.43)   Depth: 5/17   00:00:00
1.gxf4 Qxf4 2.Qe3 g5 3.Re2 Bg6 4.Kh1
  ³  (-0.30)   Depth: 6/19   00:00:00
1.gxf4 Qxf4 2.Qe3 g5 3.Kf1 a5 4.Kg1 h5
  ³  (-0.42)   Depth: 7/20   00:00:01  243kN
1.gxf4 Qxf4 2.Qe3 g5 3.b4 Bh5 4.Kg1 Qxe3 5.fxe3
  ³  (-0.36)   Depth: 8/22   00:00:01  243kN
1.gxf4
  µ  (-0.81)   Depth: 9/23   00:00:04  3461kN
1.gxf4 Qxf4 2.Qe3 Rg5+ 3.Kf1 Qxh2 4.Qxe4+ Bg6 5.Qe3 Rg1+ 6.Ke2
  µ  (-1.40)   Depth: 9/23   00:00:06  7809kN
1.gxf4 Qxf4 2.Qe3 Rg5+ 3.Kh1 Qg4 4.f3 exf3 5.Qxg5
  -+  (-1.84)   Depth: 10/25   00:00:20  24274kN
1.gxf4
  -+  (-2.29)   Depth: 11/26   00:00:48  56748kN
1.gxf4 Qxf4 2.Qe3 Rg5+ 3.Kh1 Qg4 4.f3 exf3 5.Qf2 Bd5 6.Rd1
  -+  (-2.30)   Depth: 11/26   00:00:54  65589kN
1.f3
  -+  (-2.29)   Depth: 11/26   00:01:57  140595kN
1.f3 e3 2.Rd3 fxg3 3.Ne2 gxh2 4.Qxe5 Rxe5 5.Kxh2 Be6 6.Kg3
  -+  (-2.29)   Depth: 11/26   00:01:58  141718kN
1.f3
  -+  (-2.74)   Depth: 12/28   00:03:31  250083kN
1.f3 Bh5 2.fxe4 Qxe4+ 3.Kf2 Qh1 4.gxf4 Qxh2+ 5.Kf1 Qxf4+ 6.Kg1
  -+  (-2.75)   Depth: 12/28   00:03:48  269180kN
1.f3 Bh5 2.fxe4 Qxe4+ 3.Kf2 Qh1 4.Qd3+ Bg6 5.Qf3 Qxh2+ 6.Qg2
  -+  (-3.15)   Depth: 13/29   00:07:48  550191kN
1.gxf4
  -+  (-3.14)   Depth: 13/29   00:07:55  559401kN
1.gxf4 Qxf4 2.Kh1 Rg5 3.f3 exf3 4.Nxf3 Bd5 5.Rxd5 Rxd5 6.b4
  -+  (-3.01)   Depth: 13/29   00:10:27  749390kN
1.gxf4 Qxf4 2.Kh1 Rg5 3.Qe3 Qg4 4.f3 exf3 5.Qf2 Bd5 6.Rd1
  -+  (-3.44)   Depth: 14/31   00:19:42  1430313kN

(W,  15.08.2001)

Better?

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