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Subject: Re: How high would the Rating of Belle realy be

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 07:12:59 09/24/01

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On September 24, 2001 at 04:25:56, Graham Laight wrote:

>On September 22, 2001 at 17:12:56, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On September 22, 2001 at 13:06:54, Marc van Hal wrote:
>>
>>>Acording to the programmer it would have a rating of 2345
>>>After which Donner told them they realy did do everything to mislead the people
>>>
>>>To my point of vieuw he was right
>>>
>>>Marc van Hal
>>
>>
>>I think it would certainly be a 2300 player in the USCF.  It pretty well
>>proved that over time. It could search 160K nodes per second, so it wasn't
>>a slouch...
>
>Belle was lucky enough to be around before anti-computer knowledge became
>widespread - and before everyone and his dog had their own chess computer.

Not quite.  I know of several "practitioners" back then.  David Levy being
the best-known.  He completely smashed Cray Blitz with "anti-computer" play
in 1984, for example.  He Smashed Chess 4.x in the late 70's and early 80's.

Deep Thought was the first program aggressive enough to break through his
anti-computer stuff and wipe him out without a single draw or loss.

I believe Belle would _still_ be a > 2200 player in today's chess world...




>
>I think on that basis, you'd have to knock a few hundred points off now.
>
>-g
>

I don't think so.  If you look at the games it played vs humans, "anti-computer"
was not uncommon.  We almost got beat by a 1700 player in the 1981 chess
tournament Cray Blitz won, due to his playing an anti-computer attack.  How
to beat chess computers was already well-understood.  As seen in various events
like the Fredkin matches, etc.




>>I don't know what the "Donner" comment is all about however.  Ken never did
>>_anything_ to mislead anybody.



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