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Subject: Re: A pondering idea... [a more clear {hopefully} example]

Author: Thomas Mayer

Date: 19:09:14 09/26/01

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Hi Bob,

>> Or if the opponent move is forced, I ponder the response.
>> Or if the opponent move is obvious or takes most of the search time etc., I
>> ponder the response.
>
>
> Here is the problem..   I had to explain this to Komputer Korner a few years
> ago
> as well...
>
> If you correctly predict your opponent's move at least 50% of the time, or
> more, then the way we currently ponder can _not_ be improved on. Because in
> at least 50% of the cases, we will be correct, and we focus all our search
> time on the _right_ move.  If our target time is 3 minutes, and our opponent > makes a move after 3 minutes or longer, we can move instantly and use no time
> on our clock.

> For any other scheme, you are going to split your search time among at _least_
> two moves and more likely more than that.  That means that after your opponent
> searches for 3 minutes and makes a move, you haven't searched more than 90
> seconds on any one move.  You have to keep going for another 90 seconds if one
> of the two moves you have been fiddling with is correct.  And if not, you have
> to spend a full 3 minutes.  So best case is you save 90 seconds.  If you could
> narrow your pondering to 2 moves, and the opponent _always_ played one of
> those two moves, you will save 90 seconds every move, where I save 180
> seconds every other move (assuming a 50% prediction rate).  We are "even".
> But I know I am going to be wrong one of every two moves (actually less, as
> against GM players in long games I get 75-80% right generally).  But if you
> fiddle with more than 2 moves, you will lose big time, because if you try 3,
> you will spend 60 seconds on each, and when your opponent moves you only
> saved 60 seconds if he plays one of your three possibilities.  I save 3
> minutes every other move.  You save 180 seconds every other move.  It is easy > to see which is better.
>
> If you can't predict correctly 50% of the time, then this changes of course.
> But I have never seen that happen, at least in my case.  If it does, my
> opponent is losing badly.

Well so far I was doing it, because others do it... but now I am doing it,
because you give me the correct arguments why to do so... :)

Greets, Thomas

P.S.: Have you some statistics how often you ponder correct against comps ? Is
there any difference between comps and humans ? I guess yes, but I am unsure in
which direction... :)



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