Author: Uri Blass
Date: 08:56:32 10/01/01
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On October 01, 2001 at 11:50:53, Gordon Rattray wrote: >On October 01, 2001 at 09:36:55, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On October 01, 2001 at 09:32:20, Gordon Rattray wrote: >> >>>On September 30, 2001 at 17:36:18, Slater Wold wrote: >>> >>>>When Junior 7 was released a few months back, most people who used it said that >>>>it was too aggressive, and sometimes would give material for almost no reason. >>>> >>>>Those claims were hushed shortly after it won the WMCCC. >>>> >>>>This game was a game against Chess Tiger 14.0, played on playchess.com. It >>>>shows a great example of Deep Junior giving away a piece, for little if any >>>>compensation. >>>> >>>>I understand that in essence, it is trading a piece for 3 pawns. But any human >>>>can look at the board and see, it's a trade that won't pay off in the end. >>>> >>>> >>>>Chess Tiger 14.0 - Deep Junior 7 [D53] >>>> >>>> 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.Nc3 Be7 5.Bg5 h6 6.Bxf6 Bxf6 7.Qd2 dxc4 {Last book >>>>move for Deep Junior 7} 8.e4 c5 9.d5 exd5 10.e5 Nd7 11.exf6 Nxf6 12.Qe3+ Qe7 >>>>13.Qxe7+ Kxe7 14.0-0-0 Be6 15.Re1 Rhc8 16.g3 d4 17.Nb5 c3 18.bxc3 a6 19.Na3 Kf8 >>>>20.Bc4 Bh3 21.Ne5 Rc7 22.cxd4 cxd4 23.Kd2 Rac8 24.f3 Bf5 25.Rc1 Re8 26.Rhe1 Bh7 >>>>27.Bb3 Rxc1 28.Kxc1 b5 29.Nc2 Rc8 30.Kd2 Bxc2 31.Bxc2 Rc3 32.f4 a5 33.Bb3 g5 >>>>34.fxg5 hxg5 35.Bxf7 b4 36.Be6 a4 37.Ng6+ Ke8 38.Bb3+ Re3 39.Bxa4+ Kf7 40.Bc2 >>>>Rxe1 41.Kxe1 Ng4 42.h4 Kf6 43.h5 Ne3 44.Be4 Kg7 45.Ne5 g4 46.Nc6 Kh6 47.Nxb4 Nc4 >>>>48.Bg6 Kg5 49.Nc6 d3 50.Bxd3 Nb6 51.Bg6 Nd5 52.Ne5 Nb6 53.Kf2 Na4 54.Nxg4 Nc5 >>>>55.Kf3 Ne6 56.a4 Nd4+ 57.Ke4 Ne2 58.Be8 Nxg3+ 59.Kd5 1-0 >>>> >>>> >>>>The key position is this: >>>> >>>>[D]rnbqk2r/pp3pp1/5b1p/2ppP3/2p5/2N2N2/PP1Q1PPP/R3KB1R b KQkq - 0 10 >>>> >>>>Here Deep Junior 7 plays 10...Nd7?? with this eval: >>>> >>>>W,S - Deep Junior 7 >>>>rnbqk2r/pp3pp1/5b1p/2ppP3/2p5/2N2N2/PP1Q1PPP/R3KB1R b KQkq - 0 1 >>>> >>>>Analysis by Deep Junior 7: >>>> >>>>10...Bh4 11.Nxh4 Qxh4 12.Qxd5 >>>> ³ (-0.32) Depth: 3 00:00:00 >>>>10...Bg5 11.Nxg5 Qxg5 12.Qxd5 >>>> ³ (-0.33) Depth: 3 00:00:00 >>>>10...Bg5 11.Nxg5 Qxg5 12.Qxd5 >>>> ³ (-0.33) Depth: 3 00:00:00 >>>>10...Bg5 11.Qxd5 Qxd5 12.Nxd5 c3 13.Nxc3 >>>> = (-0.10) Depth: 6 00:00:00 3kN >>>>10...Bg5 11.Nxg5 >>>> = (0.20) Depth: 9 00:00:00 94kN >>>>10...Bg5 11.Qxd5 Nc6 12.Qxc4 Nd4 13.Rd1 Nxf3+ 14.gxf3 Qc7 15.f4 Bh4 16.Qa4+ Bd7 >>>>17.Bb5 Bxb5 >>>> = (0.23) Depth: 12 00:00:01 1645kN >>>>10...Be7 11.Qxd5 Nc6 12.Bxc4 Qxd5 13.Nxd5 Bd8 14.0-0-0 >>>> = (0.21) Depth: 12 00:00:02 2218kN >>>>10...Be7 11.Nxd5 b5 12.b3 Bg4 13.bxc4 Bxf3 14.gxf3 Nd7 15.Nxe7 Qxe7 >>>> = (0.18) Depth: 15 00:00:07 12048kN >>>>10...Nd7 11.exf6 Nxf6 12.Qe3+ Qe7 13.Nb5 Be6 14.Qe5 Ng4 15.Qxg7 0-0-0 16.h3 Rhg8 >>>>17.Nxa7+ Kb8 18.Qc3 Nxf2 19.Kxf2 Kxa7 >>>> = (-0.01) Depth: 15 00:00:37 23534kN >>>>10...Nd7 11.exf6 Nxf6 12.Qe3+ Qe7 13.Qxe7+ Kxe7 14.Ne5 Be6 15.0-0-0 d4 16.Na4 >>>>Ne4 17.Bxc4 Bxc4 18.Nxc4 Nxf2 >>>> = (-0.12) Depth: 18 00:03:58 448237kN >>>> >>>>(W, 30.09.2001) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Slate >>> >>> >>>I'm currently running a match involving Junior 7 versus Chess Tiger 14.0. The >>>time control is 40 moves in 10 hours, so it's very slow. The setup is two 1.1 >>>Ghz Athlons; J7 has 128 Mb hash; CT has 192 Mb hash. >>> >>>The first four games have seen a win for each program and two draws. >>>Unfortunately, due to the very slow time control, I'm not going to be able to >>>keep it going long enough to achieve any amount of games of statistical >>>significance. However, I think it's still interesting to examine the nature of >>>the losses. >>> >>>I'm currently posting from my work ( don't tell my boss ;-)), so I can't post >>>the games right now, sorry. I'll post them at a later date if they are of >>>interest. >>> >>>Gordon >> >>The claim of Mark young was that there is some evidence but not enough evidence >>that Gambittiger and not Tiger14 is the best at long time control so it may be >>interesting to compare results of tiger14 with results of Gambittiger2. >> >>Uri > > >Ok, I'll switch to Gambit Tiger. Unfortunately I'll only be able to play a >small amount of games due to the time control, so the interest will lie in the >games themselves and not so much the result. > >Should I use gambit book or the main (supplied) book? > >Should I keep all default setting or use, e.g., aggressive? > >Gordon I do not know I guess default setting and the main(supplied) book but it may be better to ask Mark Young. Uri
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