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Subject: Re: Cabablilities of a SEE

Author: Tim Foden

Date: 00:23:23 10/05/01

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On October 04, 2001 at 22:17:04, Christophe Theron wrote:

>On October 04, 2001 at 07:03:14, Tim Foden wrote:
>
>>Hi All,
>>
>>I decided that I would add a 2nd SEE to GLC to check whether GLC's SEE was
>>working.  I actually ported GCP's Sjeng SEE (that was posted to the forum a
>>while ago).
>>
>>Both SEE routines now agree in most curcumstances, but one's like the following
>>have cropped up (where they disagree):
>>
>>[D]5rk1/1pp2R1p/p1pb4/6q1/3P1p2/2P4r/PP1BQ1P1/5RKN w - - 2 0
>>
>>This can be evaluated in 2 ways...
>>
>>(1) BxP (+1000) BxB (-3500) R1xB (+3500) QxR (-5500) RxQ (+10000) RxR (-5500)
>>.........+1000.......-2500........+1000.......-4500........+5500...........0
>>
>>>>> value = 0
>>
>>(2) BxP (+1000) BxB (-3500) R7xB (+3500) RxR (-5500) RxR (+5500) QxR (-5500)
>>.........+1000.......-2500........+1000.......-4500.......+1000.......-4500
>>
>>>>> value = -2500
>>
>>So... on to the questions:
>>
>>a) Does anyone's SEE do anything intelligent in these cases?
>>
>>b) Is one of these right, and the other wrong?  If so, which one?
>>
>>c) Do we actually care, as long as the SEE works in the majority of cases?
>>
>>Cheers, Tim.
>
>
>
>I hope you don't mind if I do not answer your question directly (actually I do
>not know the answer), but my opinion is that the job of designing a strong chess
>program INCLUDES the work of designing a way to answer this question by a clear
>YES or NO (or at least answers like "yes it works for me", or "no it does not
>work for me").
>
>I'm pretty sure that nobody out there knows the clear answer to your question,
>and the same for the upcoming questions that will arise while you develop your
>program.
>
>So my advice would be that you start right now to think about a way to use your
>computers so that THEY give you an answer.
>
>Hope that helps...

It *may* do :)

Seriously though, I understand what you are saying.  I believe I have been
getting towards this idea myself, as I am finding it very difficult to improve
the strength of my program now.  I think I have done all the easy things... I
now have to actually test each change I make to see if it is a good or bad
thing.

This was one of the reasons I added a second SEE to GLC (to make sure the first
one was working!).  It turns out that (a) I think it was working, and (b) I
still don't know this for sure!  :)

Cheers, Tim.



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