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Subject: Re: Cabablilities of a SEE

Author: Tim Foden

Date: 11:46:38 10/05/01

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On October 05, 2001 at 13:24:57, Koundinya Veluri wrote:

>On October 04, 2001 at 07:03:14, Tim Foden wrote:
>
>>Hi All,
>>
>>I decided that I would add a 2nd SEE to GLC to check whether GLC's SEE was
>>working.  I actually ported GCP's Sjeng SEE (that was posted to the forum a
>>while ago).
>>
>>Both SEE routines now agree in most curcumstances, but one's like the following
>>have cropped up (where they disagree):
>>
>>[D]5rk1/1pp2R1p/p1pb4/6q1/3P1p2/2P4r/PP1BQ1P1/5RKN w - - 2 0
>>
>>This can be evaluated in 2 ways...
>>
>>(1) BxP (+1000) BxB (-3500) R1xB (+3500) QxR (-5500) RxQ (+10000) RxR (-5500)
>>.........+1000.......-2500........+1000.......-4500........+5500...........0
>>
>>>>> value = 0
>>
>>(2) BxP (+1000) BxB (-3500) R7xB (+3500) RxR (-5500) RxR (+5500) QxR (-5500)
>>.........+1000.......-2500........+1000.......-4500.......+1000.......-4500
>
>My SEE doesn't differentiate between the two different methods. It actually
>returns -200 (-2000 in your case) and when I traced it, I found this:
>
>BxP (+100) BxB (-300)
>.....+100.......-200
>
>It stops there because it sees that capturing with a rook would lead to more
>losses (it assumes the second case, where black captures with the rook first).
>So the second case should really be terminated after BxP BxB, which would result
>in a score around -200 (or -2000).

Ah, but if w keeps on capturing, black must always reply, and the end result for
both black and white is a value of 0, which is better than your -2 (or GLCs
-2.5).

I.E.:
   BxP  (+1000) ... +1000   if B doesn't re-capture, he is -1000.
   BxB  (-3500) ... -2500   if W doesn't re-capture, he is -2500.
   R1xB (+3500) ... +1000   if B doesn't re-capture, he is -1000
   QxR  (-5500) ... -4500   if W doesn't re-capture, he is -4500.
   RxQ (+10000) ... +5500   if B doesn't re-capture, he is -5500
   RxR  (-5500) ...     0   the end.

Because the final score is 0, once the sequence is started, both sides must
continue, else they will do worse than 0.

Cheers, Tim.



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