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Subject: Re: A corios computer game!!

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 13:20:25 10/14/01

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On October 14, 2001 at 14:38:56, Dieter Buerssner wrote:

>On October 14, 2001 at 14:13:22, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On October 14, 2001 at 13:59:43, Dieter Buerssner wrote:
>>
>>>Only allow underpromotion to R or B, when promotion to Q is an immediate
>>>stalemate.
>
>>It may be a good idea for games but in studies there are cases when promotion to
>>queen lead to stalemate but not an immediate stalemate.
>
>I have no doubt, that this is true. But I am curious as well ...
>Do you have any such positions handy?

Yes

Here is a study of G.Costeff when yace can find 5.h8B and 6.c8R in few seconds.
Note that it seems that the study is wrong because the underpromotion do not
lead to a win after 6...Qf1 7.Rb8 Qh1(see the analysis of yace at the bottom)

New position
6R1/p1P4P/3p4/P2kNp2/1P3P2/KP6/1P1pp3/7r w - - 0 1

Analysis by Yace 0.99.56:

1.h8Q Rxh8 2.c8Q d1Q
  +-  (3.04)   Depth: 1   00:00:03
1.c8Q d1Q
  +-  (4.43)   Depth: 1   00:00:03
1.c8Q Ra1#
  -+  (-#1)   Depth: 2   00:00:03
1.b5 Ra1+ 2.Kb4 e1Q
  -+  (-#2)   Depth: 2   00:00:03
1.b5 d1Q 2.h8Q Rxh8 3.c8Q e1Q 4.Rxh8 dxe5
  -+  (-3.58)   Depth: 2   00:00:03
1.Ka4 Ra1+ 2.Kb5 d1Q
  -+  (-3.48)   Depth: 2   00:00:03
1.Ka4 e1Q 2.c8Q d1Q 3.h8Q Rxh8 4.Rxh8 dxe5 5.fxe5 Qxe5 6.Qxf5
  -+  (-2.37)   Depth: 2   00:00:04
1.Rg1 e1Q 2.Rxe1 dxe1Q 3.c8Q
  -+  (-2.04)   Depth: 2   00:00:04
1.Rg1 Rxg1 2.h8Q d1Q 3.c8Q e1Q
  ³  (-0.59)   Depth: 2   00:00:04
1.Rg1 Rxg1 2.h8Q d1Q 3.c8Q e1Q
  ³  (-0.59)   Depth: 3   00:00:04
1.Rg1 Rxg1 2.Ng6 d1Q 3.h8Q
  µ  (-0.99)   Depth: 4   00:00:04
1.Rg1 Rxg1 2.c8R e1Q 3.Rc5+ dxc5 4.h8Q
  -+  (-2.03)   Depth: 4   00:00:04
1.Rg1 Rxg1 2.Ka2 Ra1+ 3.Kxa1 d1Q+ 4.Ka2 e1Q
  -+  (-3.75)   Depth: 4   00:00:04
1.Ka4 Rxh7 2.c8Q d1Q
  -+  (-3.74)   Depth: 4   00:00:04
1.Ka4 d1Q 2.h8Q Qa1+ 3.Kb5 Rxh8 4.c8Q e1Q 5.Rxh8 dxe5 6.Qxf5 Qxb2
  -+  (-3.12)   Depth: 4   00:00:04
1.Ka4 d1Q 2.h8Q Qa1+ 3.Kb5 Rxh8 4.c8Q e1Q 5.Rxh8 dxe5 6.Qxf5 Qxb2
  -+  (-3.12)   Depth: 5   00:00:04  15kN
1.Ka4 d1Q 2.c8Q dxe5 3.Qc4+ Kd6
  -+  (-2.72)   Depth: 6   00:00:04  30kN
1.Ka4 e1Q 2.c8Q Qa1+ 3.Kb5 a6+ 4.Kxa6 d1Q 5.h8Q
  µ  (-1.23)   Depth: 6   00:00:04  30kN
1.Ka4 e1Q 2.c8Q Qa1+ 3.Kb5 a6+ 4.Kxa6 dxe5 5.Qc4+ Kd6
  µ  (-0.83)   Depth: 7   00:00:04  82kN
1.Ka4 a6 2.Nc4 e1Q 3.c8Q Qa1+ 4.Na3 d1Q
  =  (0.21)   Depth: 7   00:00:04  126kN
1.Ka4 a6 2.Nc4 e1Q 3.c8Q Kd4 4.h8Q+ Rxh8
  ²  (0.61)   Depth: 8   00:00:04  336kN
1.Ka4 a6 2.Nc4 Ra1+ 3.Na3 Rc1 4.h8Q d1Q 5.Re8
  +-  (3.19)   Depth: 8   00:00:05  484kN
1.Ka4 a6 2.Nc4 Ra1+ 3.Na3 Rc1 4.h8Q d1Q 5.Re8 Rxc7 6.Qh4
  +-  (3.19)   Depth: 9   00:00:07  1221kN
1.Ka4 a6 2.Nc4 Ra1+ 3.Na3 Rxa3+ 4.bxa3 d1N 5.h8Q e1Q 6.Qh1+ Qxh1 7.b5 Nb2+ 8.Kb4
Kd4 9.c8N
  +-  (2.79)   Depth: 10   00:00:08  1491kN
1.Ka4 a6 2.Nc4 Ra1+ 3.Na3 Rxa3+ 4.bxa3 d1N 5.h8B e1Q 6.c8R Qe4 7.Ra8 Qd3 8.Rab8
Ne3
  +-  (1.80)   Depth: 10   00:00:12  2621kN
1.Ka4 a6 2.Nc4 Ra1+ 3.Na3 Rxa3+ 4.bxa3 d1N 5.h8B e1Q 6.c8R Qe2 7.Rb8 Qe3 8.Rg6
Qc3 9.Rg2 Qe3 10.Rb6
  +-  (1.88)   Depth: 11   00:00:34  10358kN
1.Ka4 a6 2.Nc4 Ra1+ 3.Na3 Rxa3+ 4.bxa3 d1N 5.h8B e1Q 6.c8R Qe7 7.Rb8 Qh4 8.Rg1
Nf2 9.Ra8 Ne4
  +-  (1.81)   Depth: 12   00:01:20  26195kN
1.Ka4 a6 2.Nc4 Ra1+ 3.Na3 Rxa3+ 4.bxa3 d1N 5.h8B e1Q 6.c8R Qe2 7.Rb8 Qh2 8.Bg7
Qxf4 9.Rb6 Qg3 10.Rd8 Ne3
  +-  (1.54)   Depth: 13   00:03:55  79368kN

(Blass, Tel-aviv 14.10.2001)

New position
2R3RB/8/p2p4/P2k1p2/KP3P2/PP6/8/3nq3 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Yace 0.99.56:

6...Qe2 7.Rb8 Qh2 8.Bf6 Qxf4 9.Rbc8 Ne3 10.Rge8 Qf1 11.Rb8 Ng4 12.Bg7
  ±  (1.37)   Depth: 10   00:00:00  49kN
6...Qe2 7.Rb8 Qh2 8.Bf6 Qxf4 9.Rgd8 Qh4 10.Ba1 f4 11.Rbc8 f3 12.Bg7
  ±  (1.40)   Depth: 11   00:00:14  5842kN
6...Qf1 7.Rb8 Qh1 8.Ba1 Nf2 9.Bg7 Nd3 10.Rbc8 Qe4 11.Bh8
  ±  (1.39)   Depth: 11   00:00:30  12058kN
6...Qf1 7.Rb8 Qh1 8.Ba1 Nf2 9.Bg7 Nd3 10.Rge8 Qh7 11.Re3 Nxf4 12.Re7
  ±  (1.38)   Depth: 11   00:00:31  12464kN
6...Qf1 7.Rb8 Qh1 8.Ba1 Ne3 9.Bb2 Nd1 10.Bg7 Qg1 11.Rb6 Qxg7 12.b5 Nb2+ 13.Kb4
  ±  (0.98)   Depth: 12   00:00:41  16331kN
6...Qf1 7.Rb8 Qh1 8.Ba1 Ne3 9.Bf6 Nc2 10.Rgc8 Qc1 11.Rxc2 Qxc2 12.Rb6 Qe2 13.Bg7
Ke4 14.Bf6
  =  (0.22)   Depth: 12   00:00:46  18058kN
6...Qf1 7.Rb8 Qh1 8.Ba1 Ne3 9.Bg7 Nc2 10.Rgc8 Qc1 11.Rxc2 Qxc2
  =  (0.22)   Depth: 13   00:01:08  26815kN
6...Qf1 7.Rb8 Qh1 8.Ba1 Ne3 9.Bg7 Nc2 10.Rgc8 Qc1 11.Rxc2 Qxc2 12.Rb6 Qe4 13.Bc3
Qe3 14.Ba1 Qd3
  =  (0.10)   Depth: 14   00:02:26  57812kN

(Blass, Tel-aviv 14.10.2001)
New position
1R4RB/8/p2p4/P2k1p2/KP3P2/PP6/8/3n3q w - - 0 1

Analysis by Yace 0.99.56:

8.Bg7
  +-  (2.15)   Depth: 1   00:00:03
8.Rbc8
  +-  (2.41)   Depth: 1   00:00:03
8.Rbe8
  +-  (2.42)   Depth: 1   00:00:03
8.Rbe8 Kc6
  +-  (2.26)   Depth: 2   00:00:03
8.Rbe8 Qf1 9.Ra8
  +-  (1.97)   Depth: 3   00:00:03
8.Rbc8 Ke6
  +-  (2.19)   Depth: 3   00:00:03
8.Rbc8 Ke4 9.Rc4+ Ke3
  +-  (2.26)   Depth: 3   00:00:03
8.Rbd8 Qg1
  +-  (2.28)   Depth: 3   00:00:03
8.Rbd8 Qe4 9.Be5
  +-  (2.33)   Depth: 3   00:00:03
8.Rbd8 Qf1 9.Rxd6+ Kxd6 10.Rd8+ Ke6 11.Rxd1
  +-  (1.55)   Depth: 4   00:00:03
8.Rbd8 Qf1 9.Rb8 Qh1
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 4   00:00:03
8.Rbd8 Qf1 9.Rb8 Qh1 10.Rbd8 Qf1 11.Rb8
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 4   00:00:03
8.Rbc8 Qf1 9.Rc4 Nb2+ 10.Bxb2 Qxc4
  ²  (0.28)   Depth: 4   00:00:03
8.Rbc8 Qf3 9.Rc4 Ke6
  +-  (2.11)   Depth: 4   00:00:03
8.Rge8 Qh7
  +-  (2.12)   Depth: 4   00:00:03
8.Rge8 Qxh8 9.Re1
  +-  (2.11)   Depth: 4   00:00:03
8.Rbc8 Qf3 9.Rc4 Ke6
  +-  (2.11)   Depth: 4   00:00:03
8.Rbc8 Qxh8 9.b5 Nb2+ 10.Kb4 Qh3 11.bxa6
  ±  (0.85)   Depth: 5   00:00:04  12kN
8.Rbc8 Qxh8 9.Rge8
  ³  (-0.30)   Depth: 5   00:00:04  12kN
8.Rbc8 Qxh8 9.Rc2 Qxg8 10.Rd2+ Ke4 11.Rxd1
  -+  (-3.32)   Depth: 5   00:00:04  12kN
8.Rge8 Qxh8
  -+  (-2.74)   Depth: 5   00:00:04  12kN
8.Rge8 Qxh8 9.Rb6 Qxe8+ 10.b5
  -+  (-3.32)   Depth: 5   00:00:04  12kN
8.Rbc8 Qxh8 9.Rc2 Qxg8 10.Rd2+ Ke4 11.Rxd1
  -+  (-3.32)   Depth: 5   00:00:04  12kN
8.Bg7 Qf1 9.Bd4 Kxd4
  -+  (-3.31)   Depth: 5   00:00:04  12kN
8.Bg7 Ne3 9.Rge8 Qf3 10.Rb6
  +-  (2.31)   Depth: 5   00:00:04  12kN
8.Bg7 Qe4 9.Bd4 Qxd4 10.Ra8
  +-  (1.91)   Depth: 6   00:00:04  33kN
8.Bg7 Qh6 9.Rbc8 Qxf4 10.Rge8 Ne3
  +-  (1.60)   Depth: 6   00:00:04  33kN
8.Ba1 Ke4 9.b5 axb5+ 10.Rxb5 Ne3 11.Re8+ Kd3
  +-  (1.61)   Depth: 6   00:00:04  33kN
8.Ba1 Ne3 9.Bg7 Qe4 10.Rb6 Qd3
  +-  (1.99)   Depth: 6   00:00:04  33kN
8.Ba1 Qh2 9.Rb6 Qb2 10.Rxd6+ Kxd6 11.b5 Nc3+ 12.Kb4
  +-  (1.59)   Depth: 7   00:00:04  175kN
8.Ba1 Qh2 9.Bg7 Qxf4 10.Rbc8 Qg4 11.Rc4
  +-  (1.56)   Depth: 7   00:00:04  184kN
8.Ba1 Qh2 9.Bg7 Qh6 10.Rbf8 Qxf4 11.Rc8 Qg4 12.Be5 Qe4
  +-  (1.43)   Depth: 8   00:00:04  331kN
8.Ba1 Ne3 9.Rge8 Nc2 10.Bb2 Qb1 11.Bf6 Qa2 12.Bb2 Qxb2 13.Rbc8
  ±  (1.05)   Depth: 9   00:00:05  593kN
8.Ba1 Ne3 9.Rge8 Nc2 10.Bb2 Qb1 11.b5 Qxb2 12.Rb6
  ²  (0.65)   Depth: 10   00:00:07  1677kN
8.Ba1 Ne3 9.Bf6 Nc2 10.Rgc8 Qc1 11.Rxc2 Qxc2 12.Rb6
  ²  (0.32)   Depth: 10   00:00:09  2242kN
8.Ba1 Ne3 9.Bf6 Nc2 10.Rgc8 Qc1 11.Rxc2 Qxc2 12.Rb6 Qe2 13.Bc3 Ke4 14.Rxd6 Kxf4
  =  (0.15)   Depth: 11   00:00:13  3969kN
8.Ba1 Ne3 9.Bf6 Nc2 10.Rgc8 Qc1 11.Rxc2 Qxc2 12.Rb6 Qe2 13.Bc3 Ke4 14.b5 axb5+
15.Rxb5 Kxf4
  =  (0.10)   Depth: 12   00:00:32  11305kN
8.Ba1 Ne3 9.Bg7 Nc2 10.Rgc8 Qc1 11.Rxc2 Qxc2 12.Bf8 Qe2 13.Bh6 Kc6 14.Rb6+ Kd5
15.Rb8 Kc6 16.Rb6+ Kd5 17.Rb8
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 13   00:01:07  25137kN

(Blass, Tel-aviv 14.10.2001)

Uri



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