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Subject: Re: Open source doesn't work

Author: Miguel A. Ballicora

Date: 14:08:25 11/08/01

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On November 08, 2001 at 09:52:47, Georg v. Zimmermann wrote:

>At least not for me.
>
>I write this as a hint for people starting on a chess program or any other hobby
>program, or planing to release their program.
>
>If you thinking about releasing it under GPL, "just say no" !
>
>The last chess program which I worked on and for which I released source was my
>crazyhouse program, "Sunsetter". I had the special permission of the original
>author of the program it is based on, "Deep Bug", to distribute it without code
>at first. After polishing the code I released it a few month ago in the hope to
>get some feedback or hints on low level speed improvements or programming
>technique , things I am very bad at. No suggestion ever.
>
>You might say "Well what kind of program is that anyway, probably some 2100elo
>crafty clone". Well it isn't. It has toped both ICC and Fics best lists in its
>category a while ago, if only for a couple of days.
>
>You might say "Well, who cares about this variant anway". True.
>
>So another chess related program I released under the GPL is called "Thief". It
>is a chess client for playing on ICC, Fics, ... Like winboard, but with some
>more features in some areas but no offline support for example.
>It is used for more than 10% of the games on Fics. I get around 1-7 feature or
>bug fix suggestion per week, but never *ever* has anyone apart from the original

Never heard of thief, can you connect an engine to it? can you play
engine-engine matches?

Regards,
Miguel




>programmers comtributed anything, to code grafics or whatever. (Note that
>someone else did 90% of the work on this program, but he handed it over to me
>later. I am no fan of re-inventing the wheel. Others seem to be though.)
>
>You might say "Well, few people are playing chess online, and there are already
>many online chess clients". Partly true.
>
>So another GPL'd chess program I used to work on and for which source was
>available and still is on request is Zzzzz. The original program is a weak chess
>program written in Delphi. I rewrote it to play automatic lectures, and to be
>able to play without king (the one stalemated loses). The idea was that chess
>rules are complex. And its easier for people to learn by starting to play right
>away, for example only after having learned how the pawns move.
>I also made the program very easy to operate and created a way for people to
>contribute "interactive lessons". Again, some people were so kind to tell me
>they or their son/daughter liked the program. But no contribution. Ever.
>
>Don't get me wrong. I am not saying the open source idea doesn't ever work. It
>might work for big big projects like linux, or for programs like crafty (but
>here I already doubt, how many of the code improvements per version are *not*
>from Dr.Hyatt?) but else - forget it.
>
>Next I will probably try to start on a Go program. If someone wants to try that
>as a group, that would be great fun. But making it open source - no way.
>
>Georg



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