Author: Mark Young
Date: 14:26:16 11/08/01
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On November 08, 2001 at 11:55:23, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On November 08, 2001 at 08:32:02, Mark Young wrote: > >>On November 08, 2001 at 07:54:59, Jonas Cohonas wrote: >> >>>On November 08, 2001 at 06:59:22, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: >>> >>>>On November 08, 2001 at 06:35:18, Jonas Cohonas wrote: >>>> >>>>>Can anyone here beat the "best" prog in 40/120 without using anti comp >>>>>strtegies? on atleast an Athlon 1000? >>>>> >>>>>I have seen a lot of post where people draw the comps when trying to do nothing >>>>>but that, but i am yet to see someone not using anti comp strategies beat them >>>>>in a 40/120 on fast hardware..... anyone up for the challenge? >>>> >>>>What's the point of not playing anticomputer strategies? >>>> >>>>-- >>>>GCP >>> >>>The point being: 1. A GM of conciderable strength would not play anti comp. >> >>You don't know the history of computers Vs. GM players. This is not correct. >> >>[Event "Chess Meeting 2000 Super"] >>[Site "Dortmund"] >>[Date "2000.07.12"] >>[Round "5"] >>[White "Kramnik, Vladimir"] >>[Black "Junior 6"] >>[Result "1-0"] >>[ECO "D00"] >>[WhiteElo "2770"] >>[PlyCount "65"] >>[EventDate "2000.07.07"] >> >>1. d4 d5 2. e3 Nf6 3. Bd3 e6 4. f4 Be7 5. Nf3 c5 6. c3 O-O 7. Nbd2 Ng4 8. Qe2 >>c4 9. Bc2 f5 10. Rg1 Nc6 11. h3 Nf6 12. g4 Ne4 13. Qg2 g6 14. Qh2 Kh8 15. h4 >>Nxd2 16. Bxd2 fxg4 17. Ng5 Qe8 18. h5 gxh5 19. Rxg4 Rf6 20. Rh4 Rh6 21. O-O-O >>a5 22. Rh1 b5 23. Bd1 Ra7 24. Bxh5 Qf8 25. e4 Bd8 26. f5 b4 27. Bg6 Rxh4 28. >>Qxh4 bxc3 29. bxc3 Bf6 30. Qxh7+ Rxh7 31. Rxh7+ Kg8 32. Bf7+ Qxf7 33. Rxf7 1-0 >> >>[Event "Chess Meeting 2000 Super"] >>[Site "Dortmund"] >>[Date "2000.07.15"] >>[Round "8"] >>[White "Junior 6"] >>[Black "Piket, Jeroen"] >>[Result "0-1"] >>[ECO "B15"] >>[BlackElo "2649"] >>[PlyCount "68"] >>[EventDate "2000.07.07"] >> >>1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. Nc3 c6 4. Nf3 d5 5. h3 a6 6. Bf4 Nf6 7. e5 Nfd7 8. Qd2 e6 >>9. Bg5 Qb6 10. O-O-O h6 11. Be3 Qc7 12. h4 b5 13. Bf4 Nb6 14. a3 N8d7 15. Kb1 >>a5 16. Na2 Qa7 17. g4 Bf8 18. c3 Ba6 19. Qe1 Nc4 20. Bd2 Be7 21. Nc1 Ndb6 22. >>h5 g5 23. Na2 Kd7 24. Bc1 Rhb8 25. Ka1 b4 26. Nd2 Nxd2 27. Bxd2 Bxf1 28. Rxf1 >>Nc4 29. Rb1 b3 30. Nc1 Bxa3 31. Qd1 Qb6 32. bxa3 b2+ 33. Ka2 bxc1=N+ 34. Qxc1 >>Qxb1+ 0-1 >> >> >> >>>2.If a program has a fault which can be taken advantage of by using anti comp >>>strategies making it look like a 2000 player there is no point in playing it. >> >>You don't know if anti-computer play will work until you try it. ChessTiger did >>not have any problem with anti-computer play...that resulted in a loss when it >>scored a TPR of 2788. >> >>>just like using the same line to beat the comp to determine it's strength. >>>3. Is anyone here capable of beating the comp under these conditions?? >> >>Anticomputer play should be used if the player wishes. You don't know if >>anti-computer play will work or not. Besides there are many types of >>anti-computer play, and it would not be fair to claim or not claim anti-computer >>play if the human wins. >> >>I don't think anyone here can beat ChessTiger 14 when they don't have access to >>the program and opening book that will be used. >> > > >That is a _strong_ statement. Bob as you know we are both prone to "strong statements":) Do you _really_ know _who_ is reading on >CCC? > >:) > >I know a couple that would raise your eyebrows. :) If you read my posts, you know I think only a few ten's of people in the world can best a top computer in a match. But if a active CCC member thinks he can do it, bring it on. Everytime someone claims they can best a top computer here on CCC, I try to play them, but so far no takers.;) > >> >>> >>>Regards >>>Jonas
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