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Subject: Re: A test position to see if your program is materialistic(most are not)

Author: Tim Foden

Date: 07:57:43 11/13/01

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On November 12, 2001 at 06:22:04, Uri Blass wrote:

>This position could happen in my crrespondence game
>
>[D]2r2rk1/p3q1pp/1p6/2bp1p2/4n3/1P2P1P1/PB3PBP/1QR1RbK1 w - - 0 25
>
>If your program plays Bxe4 then it is materialistic(Bxe4 is the only move that
>does not lose material)
>
>If it plays Rxf1 then it is not materialistic
>
>It seems that most programs are not materialistic based on the test that I did.
>I guess also that most humans are not materialistic here and are going to prefer
>Rxf1
>
>Uri

Well, Green Light 2.15c would seem to be one of the exceptions! :(

It gives Bxe4 a score of -0.261, and Rxf1 a score of -0.610.  This position
shows up one of Green Light's (many!) weaknesses. :)

It just doesn't understand that black has a strong attack.

Cheers, Tim.

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Analysis of given position:

 12  32.32  -0.288  18150k  Bxe4 fxe4 26. Rxf1 Qf7 27. Be5 Ba3 28. Rc2 Qf5 29.
                              Bd4 Qf3 30. Rd1 Rxc2 31. Qxc2 Bb4
 12  35.24  -0.288  19824k  Bxe4 fxe4 26. Rxf1 Qf7 27. Be5 Ba3 28. Rc2 Qf5 29.
                              Bd4 Qf3 30. Rd1 Rxc2 31. Qxc2 Bb4
 13   2:41  -0.261  86258k  Bxe4 fxe4 26. Rxf1 Rcd8 27. Qc2 Rf5 28. Qd2 Rdf8
                              {ht}
 13   2:49  -0.261  90784k  Bxe4 fxe4 26. Rxf1 Rcd8 27. Qc2 Rf5 28. Qd2 Rdf8
                              {ht}

Analysis after 25. Rxf1:

 13  36.14  +0.639  21785k  Nd2 26. Bxd5+ Kh8 27. Qd3 Nxf1 28. Qxf1 Rfd8 29.
                              Qd3 Qd6 30. Rd1 Ba3 31. Bxa3 Qxa3 32. Qxf5 Qxa2
 13  55.61  +0.639  32873k  Nd2 26. Bxd5+ Kh8 27. Qd3 Nxf1 28. Qxf1 Rfd8 29.
                              Qd3 Qd6 30. Rd1 Ba3 31. Bxa3 Qxa3 32. Qxf5 Qxa2
 14   1:23  +0.610  48978k  Nd2 26. Bxd5+ Kh8 27. Qd3 Nxf1 28. Rxf1 Bd6 29. Rd1
                              Be5 30. Bxe5 Qxe5 31. Bb7 Rc7 32. Qa6 Qe7 33. Bd5
 14   2:30  +0.610  87106k  Nd2 26. Bxd5+ Kh8 27. Qd3 Nxf1 28. Rxf1 Bd6 29. Rd1
                              Be5 30. Bxe5 Qxe5 31. Bb7 Rc7 32. Qa6 Qe7 33. Bd5




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