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Subject: Re: Easy pawn ending for computers ?!

Author: Marc van Hal

Date: 09:08:41 11/19/01

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On November 18, 2001 at 17:15:45, Uri Blass wrote:

>On November 18, 2001 at 16:48:08, piet de hoop wrote:
>
>>On November 18, 2001 at 15:54:23, Marc van Hal wrote:
>>
>>>On November 18, 2001 at 10:03:15, piet de hoop wrote:
>>>
>>>>The next position occured in Diep versus Rebel Century 4 round 6 of the Dutch
>>>>Open Computer Chess 2001
>>>>
>>>>[D] 8/6p1/3k3p/8/3K4/7P/8/8 b - - 0 43
>>>>
>>>>The result was a draw, but for some computerprograms I tried, the evaluation was
>>>>from -1 to -3.4 pawn. (Fritz 6.0, Crafty,Yace)
>>>>
>>>>I expect that programs equipped with the right pawntable base have no problem
>>>>with this position, but i expected that programs without these tablebase while
>>>>calculating over 30 plys or more should give the right evalution?
>>>>
>>>>Or do i miss something?
>>>>
>>>>Piet
>>>
>>>I think you mis something important here
>>>Todays decent chessprograms use table bases so the chance that such a program
>>>does not comeup with the right answer here is zero.
>>
>>
>>Ok,but there are still decent programs that don't use the table bases.
>>
>>Anyway this is relatively an "easy ending", it is just counting.
>>
>>And when a program doesn't have the knowledge of this kind of ending, it just
>>evaluates it as a positive ending way before in the search tree and it will
>>exchange all the pieces just to go for it and discover in the end it is a draw!
>>While in case it has knowledge about it, it won't exchange pieces and try a
>>different route for a possible win.
>>
>>Piet
>
>You are right in the case that the program does not use tablebases but today all
>the top programs use tablebases including the KPP vs KP and not only in the
>root.
>
>Uri
I actualy  said that all decent program did use table bases because Rebel
Century 4 would use them too
Or  did I understand this wrong?



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