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Subject: Re: Intelligent software, please (this example is only tactics if you

Author: Johan Melin

Date: 00:40:41 11/27/01

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On November 26, 2001 at 06:09:57, Uri Blass wrote:

>On November 25, 2001 at 15:14:16, Victor Fernandez wrote:
>
>>On November 25, 2001 at 13:37:09, Mike S. wrote:
>>
>>>The number of types of positions and ideas chess programs don't handle well, is
>>>shrinking rapidly IMO. Do you have examples?
>>
>>Hi Mike !
>>
>>Yes, an example: an ending with few pieces .
>>
>>Kotov-Botvinnik
>>
>>8/8/4b1p1/2Bp3p/5P1P/1pK1Pk2/8/8 b - - 0 1
>>
>>The correct move is ...g5 !!! Few programs play this.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>  Victor
>
>search the right lines)
>
>only material yace version that I got from the programmer could prove that black
>can win a bishop for a pawn.
>
>It did not use the KB KPP tablabases but it used the KB vs KP tablebases
>so I guess that the evaluation is not because of KB vs KP endgame
>It used the following values(bishop=3.50,pawn=0.80)
>
>New position
>[D]8/8/4b1p1/2Bp3p/5P1P/1pK1Pk2/8/8 b - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Yace 0.99.56:
>
>1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.exd4 Kg3 4.g6 Kxh4
>  -+  (-2.70)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
>1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.exd4 Kg3 4.g6 Kxh4
>  -+  (-2.70)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
>1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.exd4 Kg3 4.g6 Kxh4
>  -+  (-2.70)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
>1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.exd4 Kg3 4.g6 Kxh4
>  -+  (-2.70)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
>1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.exd4 Kg3 4.g6 Kxh4
>  -+  (-2.70)   Depth: 5   00:00:00
>1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.exd4 Kg3 4.g6 Kxh4
>  -+  (-2.70)   Depth: 6   00:00:00
>1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.exd4 Kg3 4.g6 Kxh4
>  -+  (-2.70)   Depth: 7   00:00:00
>1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.exd4 Kg3 4.g6 Kxh4
>  -+  (-2.70)   Depth: 8   00:00:00
>1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.exd4 Kg3 4.g6 Kxh4
>  -+  (-2.70)   Depth: 9   00:00:00
>1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.exd4 Kg3 4.g6 Kxh4
>  -+  (-2.70)   Depth: 14   00:00:00  5kN
>1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.exd4 Kg3 4.g6 Kxh4
>  -+  (-2.70)   Depth: 14   00:00:00  5kN
>1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.exd4 Kg3 4.g6 Kxh4
>  -+  (-2.70)   Depth: 14   00:00:00  5kN
>1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.exd4 Kg3 4.g6 Kxh4
>  -+  (-2.70)   Depth: 14   00:00:00  5kN
>1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.exd4 Kg3 4.g6 Kxh4
>  -+  (-2.70)   Depth: 14   00:00:00  5kN
>1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.exd4 Kg3 4.g6 Kxh4
>  -+  (-2.70)   Depth: 15   00:00:02  1571kN
>1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.exd4 Kg3 4.g6 Kxh4
>  -+  (-2.70)   Depth: 16   00:00:06  4318kN
>
>(Blass, Tel-aviv 26.11.2001)
>
>Uri

Did Yace do any position learning before this test? Solving it at depth 1 is a
bit to good ...

/Johan Melin



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