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Subject: Re: GM and Super GM

Author: Otello Gnaramori

Date: 07:14:14 11/28/01

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On November 28, 2001 at 09:10:31, K. Burcham wrote:

>
>dont get me wrong, i am very well aware that the best we have in this sport is
>what we call a super GM. against other humans these guys seem to be
>unbelievable.
>But today we have our programs exposing their inferior play. no i do not expect
>perfect play from a gm or super gm. but we can analyize their games like never
>before. gm and super gms have always had the luxury that no one could really
>rate their play except another high rated player or another gm.
>in the old days, we would try to go through each move of a gm game, we would be
>thinking, what is he trying to accomplish here, what is the purpose of this
>line, positional,  material etc. then when finished we would wonder, well maybe
>i missed something, or maybe i dont really understand the position.
>but lesser players dont have this problem today.
>we have our programs.

Only computers never fails ;) , we are human beings after all.

>i constantly see remarks posted here, about how todays programs "dont
>understand" or todays programs "cant see". thats ok too. i also have analyized
>many of these positions too, that programs cannot see. there are many of these
>examples. and many that post here say todays programs are not gm level. maybe
>not----but if you want to see what the true level of a gm or super gm is---just
>take some of their games and run them through todays programs. you will see
>terrible blunders, many moves that indicate that our very best do not truly
>understand many positions. we all respect these guys, but one thing i have
>learned about these elite----our programs say that these guys make many
>mistakes, and constantly play into positions that they do not understand.

Apart from the little joke above I've tried to analyze oldie famous games with
computers and find sometimes surprising moves gone undetected by the chessmaster
that analyzed that game.
Comps are nowadays very clever and probably essential in analysis job.

Regards.



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