Author: Uri Blass
Date: 22:37:21 01/09/02
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On January 09, 2002 at 17:17:00, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On January 09, 2002 at 03:50:56, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On January 08, 2002 at 18:47:35, Bas Hamstra wrote: >> >>>On January 07, 2002 at 16:56:46, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On January 07, 2002 at 14:53:25, Bas Hamstra wrote: >>>> >>>>>On January 07, 2002 at 13:44:43, Joshua Lee wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>you are Ill informed . As much as i think the SSDF is Inaccurate in it's >>>>>>ratings it does a few things that are consistent: >>>>>>1 Shows which programs are stronger than others and on what hardware >>>>>> >>>>>>This is the only point i need to make to totally bust your argument because >>>>>>if you look at the estimated ammounts they give for each of their hardware >>>>>>increases or if you take the averages from one set of hardware to another you >>>>>>should see clearly that in reality there is a definite increase in most newer >>>>>>versions. I don't know how the program authors do it but they do..... >>>>>>look at Junior 6 and 7 on a K6-2 450. >>>>> >>>>>I dont see your point. I am not saying that programs don't improve. But I do say >>>>>that Junior 7 does not stand a chance against Junior 6 on 2x slower hardware. >>>>>Can you find 1 program where a newer version beats an older on 2x slower >>>>>hardware? >>>>> >>>>>Bas. >>>> >>>>Yes >>>> >>>>Fritz7 on old hardware beats Fritz3 on fast hardware >>>>if the hardware adavantage is 2:1 >>>> >>>>I am not sure about Fritz7b and Fritz6 but >>>>it may be interesting to test. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>>How do you know? Data! Numbers, tables. Photo's :-) Are you willing to take a >>>bet? I say Fritz3 is going to win. >>> >>> >>>Bas. >> >>I remember that the difference between Fritz6a and Fritz5 based on the ssdf is >>more than 70 elo on the same hardware. >>I also know that programs do not earn more than 70 elo from being >>twice faster based on the ssdf. >> >>Fritz6a may have a better book so in order to be careful I did not suggest to >>take Fritz6a and Fritz5b but to take Fritz7a and Fritz3. >> >>I will be surprised if Fritz3 can win a match against Fritz7 when the hardware >>of Fritz3 is exactly twice faster even if you use the same book. >> >>Uri > >equal book matches fritz vs fritz i would never take because >book for this program is so dominating. it is possible to try the positions after all the possible openings of 2 plies (1.a3 a6, 1.a3 a5 1.a3 b6....) I remember that I did 800 blitz games under this conditions between Fritz6 light and Hiarcs7.32 and Fritz won convincingly. I guess that Fritz7 is going to beat Fritz3 under the same conditions and it may be interesting if someone tries. Uri
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