Author: Miguel A. Ballicora
Date: 17:09:11 01/15/02
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On January 15, 2002 at 16:23:32, Slater Wold wrote: >On January 15, 2002 at 15:46:29, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On January 15, 2002 at 15:15:55, Bruce Moreland wrote: >> >>>On January 15, 2002 at 03:57:15, Ed Schröder wrote: >>> >>>>On January 14, 2002 at 19:17:02, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>> >>>>>Hello , >>>>> >>>>>i see bookbuilder in cct4. that is an interface made by >>>>>Bas Hamstra sold to J.E.F. Kaan (who can't program at all) >>>>>and with crafty added sold as 'bookbuilder'. >>>>> >>>>>Now i see Jan Kaan join CCT4 with bookbuilder under the name 'djenghis 0.05'. >>>>> >>>>>He is mentioned as 'author' from Djenghis. >>>>> >>>>>This is not correct. >>>> >>>> >>>>Vincent, >>>> >>>>You impossibly can provide the evidence of your accusation, I suggest you move >>>>your suspect to the Tournament Director of CCT4, that is where it belongs. >>>> >>>>The moderators of CCC are not going to allow you to discredit the name of Mr. >>>>Kaan based on wild speculations. So it's either provide the evidence or stop >>>>now. >>>> >>>>Kindest regards, >>>> >>>>Ed Schroder >>>>CCC moderator >>> >>>With respect, I disagree with this. The factual accuracy of what someone is >>>saying shouldn't be an issue. The moderators should not be a court of law that >>>determined whether what someone says is true or false. >>> >>>"Put up or shut up" should be something the members say, not something the >>>moderators say. The club that the moderators wield is too heavy in this case. >>> >>>As a group, we need to be able to speak freely about issues that are important >>>to us. Sometimes, this might involve very contentious speech, which Vincent >>>seems to specialize in. >>> >>>I think that the charter is designed to protect us from stalkers and people who >>>can't stay within the bounds of civility. It's not designed to prevent us from >>>getting into arguments, disagreeing, or even accusing each other of things. >>> >>>I suggest that if Vincent makes a campaign out of this, it should go. If >>>someone is going to post the same thing every few days, they are obviously using >>>the forum as a vehicle for personal attack -- that's what a campaign is. I >>>don't see that happening here. >>> >>>If someone wants to say something nasty, I think they should go for it. I think >>>that the charter protects us from people would would follow us around sniping at >>>us, like the stuff that is happening in the other forum, but if someone is >>>displeased with someone, that's a valid topic. >>> >>>bruce >> >>I disagree >>We got a moderator email that asked to delete all the thread >> >>I thought to do it but it was not a clear case that I was sure to do it so >>I decided to discuss it with Ed and the decision was not to delete it. >>but to give Vincent a warning. >> >>My opinion is that people should not accuse each other by "facts" that they >>cannot prove and the question if the "facts" are right or wrong >>is not important. > >I wonder who asked you to delete this thread?! (sarcasm) I bet it wasn't more >than 1 person, and that being, the person who was named. > >Example: > >"I think Deep Fritz is a horrible program. I think Frans and Mathias are >horrible programmers." > >If I posted that, and Frans asked you to delete it, would you? I would hope >not. That is what this forum is about. > >If anyone in this forum cares about what I think, someone will post a reply, >"Why?" If I don't respond, then obviously I am just trolling. And perhaps then >the post should be deleted. However, if I replied, > >"Deep Fritz's SMP does not work in ANY of the 3 computers I have tested. Of the >6+ people I know who have SMP machines, it does not work. They have sold a >commercial program, under the pretense that it gains 80% with an extra CPU. I >can show time and time again where Deep Fritz fails to achieve this. We have >recieved no patches, and there has been no attempt to fix this." > >Then I wouldn't be trolling, I would be defending my statement. It's like Bruce >told me a long time ago, "..let the people of the forum weed out the trolls. >Let the people of the forum decide who they are and aren't going to listen to.." > >This is a poll about ideas, and consquently, opinions. Don't try to moderate >that. > >Let Mr. Kaan defend himself. If he cannot, well then, Vince is in the right. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That is the whole point, he DOES NOT HAVE to defend himself, and I would not have done it. You have to defend yourself when you are accused with FACTS. Saying the Mr. Kaan cannot program is not a fact, it is an insult. Why do I care? because this is the typical behavior and language that you see in dictatorships "If you are innocent, you do not have to worry". Mr. Kann send the code. I assume the program is legitimate, Is the accuser going to apologize? Miguel >If he does, well, maybe people will stop listening to Vince. > > > >Slate
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