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Subject: Re: Finally! Tablebases homepage found:

Author: Albert Silver

Date: 16:50:03 01/17/02

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On January 17, 2002 at 17:23:11, Roy Eassa wrote:

>On January 17, 2002 at 17:18:24, Albert Silver wrote:
>
>>On January 17, 2002 at 14:21:36, Roy Eassa wrote:
>>
>>>But I have a question: if the complete 3-4-5 set requires 11 CD-ROMs of 650 MB
>>>apiece, how can it fit on only 9 CDs of 700 MB apiece?
>>>
>>>Even if the last of the 11 CDs is only 1% full (i.e., 10.01 CDs-worth of 650 MB
>>>apiece), that would still be more than 9 CDs of 700 MB.
>>>
>>>Is this really the full set?
>>
>>A fair question. No, there are a few that were deliberately removed in order to
>>save space as they had absolutely no practical value. Truly. For example:
>>
>>King + 3 queens vs. King
>>King + 3 rooks vs. King
>>King + 2 queens + 1 rook vs. King
>>
>>This reduced the number of files from a maximum of 290 files to 240 files.
>
>
>I was under the impression that Chess Tiger was weaker using a subset (even a
>very common-sense subset) of the 5-man TBs than not using any 5-man TBs at all.
>I guess one could download the missing TBs if one knew exactly which ones they
>were, just to be on the safe (and complete) side.

I understand your concern, and remember perfectly what you are referring to,
however I'll add the following points:

- The TBs that might have caused problems were from a 3 CD set and truly
incomplete. It was missing many piece combinations however unlikely. This is a 9
CD set where the only missing combinations are ones in which Tiger (or any
engine) would find a mate in a fraction of a second.

- If Tiger were to reach one of the postions mentioned at any point of its
calculations, it shouldn't play any weaker. After all, it would be effectively
up some 20-30 pawns in its eval.

- Tiger has undergone significant testing on the machines at Convekta in order
to test the sets as well as some other functions used in Chess Assistant and no
problems of any kind have shown up in this time. The engine-related functions I
speak of are use of the TBs by Tiger, and use of the TBs by the GUI to
complement an engine that doesn't support them internally.

Personally, I wouldn't fill up more than a Gb of space on my HD to put in KQQQ
vs. K type combinations.

                                        Albert

>
>Thanks,
>
>  -Roy.



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