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Subject: Re: Test Position - NO Tablebases!

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 00:17:56 01/22/02

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Why without tablebase files?  The reason I ask is that this position is the
"poster child" for 'Why every program ought to have tablebase friles' and the
evils that befall us when we leave them out.

[D]8/r7/8/p2k4/R3p1K1/8/8/8 b - - bm Kc5; am Ke5;

Pepito with Tablebase files finds the right move in 11 seconds at ply 10:
Son correctas: Kc5


    +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
 8  |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
    +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
 7  | *R |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
    +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
 6  |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
    +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
 5  | *P |    |    | *K |    |    |    |    |
    +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
 4  |  R |    |    |    | *P |    |  K |    |
    +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
 3  |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
    +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
 2  |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
    +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
 1  |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
    +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
      a    b    c    d    e    f    g    h

 5   320   236     1756  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a6 Kg3-f2 Ra6-a8
 5   320   320     3749  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a6 Kg3-f2 Ra6-a8
 6   310   383     4949  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a8 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2
 6   310   405     6979  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a8 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2
 7   315   414     8095  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a8 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2 Kf4-e5
 7   315   450    12111  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a8 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2 Kf4-e5
 8   305   486    15547  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a6 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2 Ra6-a8 Ke2-d2
 8   305   526    21691  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a6 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2 Ra6-a8 Ke2-d2
 9   315   547    25471  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a6 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2 Ra6-a8 Ke2-d2
Kf4-f3
 9   315   616    34482  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a6 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2 Ra6-a8 Ke2-d2
Kf4-f3
10   300   664    44849  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a6 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2 Ra6-a8 Ke2-d2
Kf4-f3 Kd2-c3
10   301  1112   110231  Kd5-c5 Kg4-f4 Kc5-b5 Ra4-a2 Ra7-e7 Kf4-e3 a4 Ra2-f2
Kb5-c4 Rf2-f4
10   301  1134   113639  Kd5-c5 Kg4-f4 Kc5-b5 Ra4-a2 Ra7-e7 Kf4-e3 a4 Ra2-f2
Kb5-c4 Rf2-f4
11   307  1711   256396  Kd5-c5 Kg4-f4 Kc5-b5 Ra4-a1 a4 Kf4-e3 Ra7-e7 Ra1-b1
11   307  1836   280710  Kd5-c5 Kg4-f4 Kc5-b5 Ra4-a1 a4 Kf4-e3 Ra7-e7 Ra1-b1
12   312  2499   476213  Kd5-c5 Kg4-f4 Kc5-b5 Ra4-a1 a4 Kf4-e3 Ra7-f7 Ra1-e1 a3
Re1-a1 Kb5-c4 Ra1-a2
12   312  2584   506462  Kd5-c5 Kg4-f4 Kc5-b5 Ra4-a1 a4 Kf4-e3 Ra7-f7 Ra1-e1 a3
Re1-a1 Kb5-c4 Ra1-a2
13   339  4038  1072859  Kd5-c5 Kg4-f4 Kc5-b5 Ra4-a2 a4 Kf4-e3 Ra7-d7 Ke3-e2
Rd7-d3 Ra2-b2 Rd3-b3 Rb2-c2 e3 Rc2-c1
13   339  4104  1116041  Kd5-c5 Kg4-f4 Kc5-b5 Ra4-a2 a4 Kf4-e3 Ra7-d7 Ke3-e2
Rd7-d3 Ra2-b2 Rd3-b3 Rb2-c2 e3 Rc2-c1
14   340  5118  1782435  Kd5-c5 Kg4-f4 Kc5-b5 Ra4-a1 a4 Kf4-e3 Ra7-f7 Ke3-d4
Rf7-d7 Kd4-c3 a3 Ra1-a2 e3 Ra2-e2 Rd7-e7
14   340  5277  1856404  Kd5-c5 Kg4-f4 Kc5-b5 Ra4-a1 a4 Kf4-e3 Ra7-f7 Ke3-d4
Rf7-d7 Kd4-c3 a3 Ra1-a2 e3 Ra2-e2 Rd7-e7
15   355  7382  2872261  Kd5-c5 Kg4-f4 Kc5-b5 Ra4-a1 a4 Kf4-e3 Ra7-f7 Ke3-d4
Rf7-d7 Kd4-e3 Rd7-d3 Ke3-f4 a3 Ra1-a2 e3 Ra2-e2 Kb5-c4 Kf4-e4
15   355  7557  2937783  Kd5-c5 Kg4-f4 Kc5-b5 Ra4-a1 a4 Kf4-e3 Ra7-f7 Ke3-d4
Rf7-d7 Kd4-e3 Rd7-d3 Ke3-f4 a3 Ra1-a2 e3 Ra2-e2 Kb5-c4 Kf4-e4
16   388 13550  5246428  Kd5-c5 !!
16   439 21174  8644657  Kd5-c5 Kg4-f4 Kc5-b5 Ra4-a1 a4 Kf4-e3 a3 Ra1-a2 Kb5-c4
Ra2-a1 Kc4-b3 Ra1-e1 a2 Re1-a1 Kb3-b2 Ra1-e1 a1=Q Re1xa1 Kb2xa1 Ke3xe4
16   439 21536  8828615  Kd5-c5 Kg4-f4 Kc5-b5 Ra4-a1 a4 Kf4-e3 a3 Ra1-a2 Kb5-c4
Ra2-a1 Kc4-b3 Ra1-e1 a2 Re1-a1 Kb3-b2 Ra1-e1 a1=Q Re1xa1 Kb2xa1 Ke3xe4
17   406 22433  9299550  Kd5-c5 ?? Kg4-f4 Kc5-b5 Ra4-a1 a4 Kf4-e3 a3 Ra1-a2
Kb5-c4 Ra2-a1 Kc4-b3 Ra1-e1 a2 Re1-a1 Kb3-b2 Ra1-e1 a1=Q Re1xa1 Kb2xa1 Ke3xe4
17   407 24703 10568731  Kd5-c5 !!


Pepito without tablebase files is still clueless two minutes later while digging
on ply #20:
Son correctas: Kc5


    +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
 8  |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
    +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
 7  | *R |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
    +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
 6  |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
    +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
 5  | *P |    |    | *K |    |    |    |    |
    +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
 4  |  R |    |    |    | *P |    |  K |    |
    +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
 3  |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
    +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
 2  |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
    +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
 1  |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
    +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
      a    b    c    d    e    f    g    h

 5   320   107     2338  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a6 Kg3-f2 Ra6-a8
 5   320   107     5009  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a6 Kg3-f2 Ra6-a8
 6   310   108     7965  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a8 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2
 6   310   109    13171  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a8 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2
 7   315   111    17721  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a8 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2 Kf4-e5
 7   315   113    26791  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a8 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2 Kf4-e5
 8   305   115    38491  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a6 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2 Ra6-a8 Ke2-d2
 8   305   119    55657  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a6 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2 Ra6-a8 Ke2-d2
 9   315   121    68788  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a6 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2 Ra6-a8 Ke2-d2
Kf4-f3
 9   315   126    90438  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a6 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2 Ra6-a8 Ke2-d2
Kf4-f3
10   300   132   123922  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a6 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2 Ra6-a8 Ke2-d2
Kf4-f3 Kd2-c3
10   300   147   195942  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a6 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2 Ra6-a8 Ke2-d2
Kf4-f3 Kd2-c3
11   300   154   236716  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a6 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2 Ra6-a7 Ke2-d2
Ra7-a8 Kd2-c3 Kf4-f3
11   300   169   312911  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a6 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2 Ra6-a7 Ke2-d2
Ra7-a8 Kd2-c3 Kf4-f3
12   302   182   377461  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a6 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2 Ra6-a7 Ke2-f2
Ra7-a8 Kf2-e2 Ra8-a6 Ke2-d2
12   302   208   521784  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a6 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2 Ra6-a7 Ke2-f2
Ra7-a8 Kf2-e2 Ra8-a6 Ke2-d2
13   311   233   656748  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a6 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2 Ra6-a7 Ke2-d2
Kf4-f3 Ra4-a3 Kf3-f2 Ra3-a2 e3 Kd2-d3 Kf2-f3 Ra2-e2
13   311   277   898668  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a6 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2 Ra6-a7 Ke2-d2
Kf4-f3 Ra4-a3 Kf3-f2 Ra3-a2 e3 Kd2-d3 Kf2-f3 Ra2-e2
14   297   338  1235798  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a6 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2 Ra6-a7 Ke2-f2
Ra7-a8 Kf2-e2 Ra8-a6 Ke2-d2 Kf4-f3 Kd2-c3
14   297   532  2281711  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a6 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2 Ra6-a7 Ke2-f2
Ra7-a8 Kf2-e2 Ra8-a6 Ke2-d2 Kf4-f3 Kd2-c3
15   297   638  2827207  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a6 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2 Ra6-a7 Ke2-f2
Ra7-a8 Kf2-e2 Ra8-a6 Ke2-d2 Ra6-a7 Kd2-c3 Kf4-f3
15   297   881  4163199  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a6 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2 Ra6-a7 Ke2-f2
Ra7-a8 Kf2-e2 Ra8-a6 Ke2-d2 Ra6-a7 Kd2-c3 Kf4-f3
16   305  1088  5165450  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a6 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2 Ra6-a7 Ke2-f2
Ra7-a8 Kf2-e2 Ra8-a6 Ke2-f2 Ra6-a7 Kf2-e2 Ra7-a8 Ke2-d2
16   305  1460  7196683  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a6 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2 Ra6-a7 Ke2-f2
Ra7-a8 Kf2-e2 Ra8-a6 Ke2-f2 Ra6-a7 Kf2-e2 Ra7-a8 Ke2-d2
17   311  1839  9056248  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a6 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2 Ra6-a7 Ke2-f2
Ra7-a8 Kf2-e2 Ra8-a6 Ke2-d2 Kf4-f3 Ra4-a3 Kf3-f2 Ra3-a2 e3 Kd2-d3 Kf2-f3 Ra2-e2
17   311  2568 12986987  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a6 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2 Ra6-a7 Ke2-f2
Ra7-a8 Kf2-e2 Ra8-a6 Ke2-d2 Kf4-f3 Ra4-a3 Kf3-f2 Ra3-a2 e3 Kd2-d3 Kf2-f3 Ra2-e2
18   300  2976 15243890  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a6 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2 Ra6-a7 Ke2-f2
Ra7-a8 Kf2-e2 Ra8-a6 Ke2-f2 Ra6-a7 Kf2-e2 Ra7-a8 Ke2-d2 Kf4-f3 Kd2-c3
18   300  4332 22676598  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a6 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2 Ra6-a7 Ke2-f2
Ra7-a8 Kf2-e2 Ra8-a6 Ke2-f2 Ra6-a7 Kf2-e2 Ra7-a8 Ke2-d2 Kf4-f3 Kd2-c3
19   267  7762 41456077  Kd5-e5 ?? Kg4-g3 Ra7-a6 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2 Ra6-a7
Ke2-f2 Ra7-a8 Kf2-e2 Ra8-a6 Ke2-f2 Ra6-a7 Kf2-e2 Ra7-a8 Ke2-d2 Kf4-f3 Kd2-c3
19   268  8264 44064357  Kd5-e5 !!
19   246  9021 48185820  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a6 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2 Ra6-a7 Ke2-f2
Ra7-a8 Kf2-e2 Ra8-a6 Ke2-f2 Ra6-c6 Ra4xa5 e3 Kf2-e1 Rc6-c1 Ke1-e2 Rc1-c2 Ke2-e1
e2 Ra5-a4 Kf4-f3 Ra4-a3 Kf3-e4 Ra3-a1
19   246 11633 62458077  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a6 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2 Ra6-a7 Ke2-f2
Ra7-a8 Kf2-e2 Ra8-a6 Ke2-f2 Ra6-c6 Ra4xa5 e3 Kf2-e1 Rc6-c1 Ke1-e2 Rc1-c2 Ke2-e1
e2 Ra5-a4 Kf4-f3 Ra4-a3 Kf3-e4 Ra3-a1
20   247 12865 68858552  Kd5-e5 Kg4-g3 Ra7-a6 Kg3-f2 Ke5-f4 Kf2-e2 Ra6-a7 Ke2-f2
Ra7-a8 Kf2-e2 Ra8-a6 Ke2-f2 Ra6-c6 Ra4xa5 e3 Kf2-e1 Rc6-c1 Ke1-e2 Rc1-c2 Ke2-f1
e2 Kf1-f2 Rc2-d2 Ra5-a4 Kf4-f5 Kf2-e1



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