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Subject: Re: Test Position - NO Tablebases!

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 01:55:42 01/22/02

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On January 22, 2002 at 03:44:29, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On January 22, 2002 at 02:55:40, David Rasmussen wrote:
>
>>[D]8/r7/8/p2k4/R3p1K1/8/8/8 b - - 0 67
>>
>>Can your program find Kc5! (there maybe other winning moves, like Kc6), and can
>>it specifically avoid Ke5, which only draws? In other words, I don't know all
>>the moves that wins and all the moves that draws, but can your program find a
>>winning move without tablebases, and even understand what is going on?
>
>Just to make us all feel silly, ChessMaster solved it without tablebase files.
>In 2 seconds.
>!

Just to make chessmaster silly chesstiger14 with no tablebases
solved it in less than 1 second

The problem is that other programs with no tablebases cannot evaluate the
position after Kc5 Kf4 Kb5 Rxe4 as better than 2 pawns asvantage in other lines.

New position
[D]8/r7/8/p2k4/R3p1K1/8/8/8 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Chess Tiger 14.0:

67...Rf7 68.Rxa5+ Kd4 69.Ra4+ Ke3 70.Ra3+ Ke2 71.Ra2+ Ke1 72.Ra1+ Kd2 73.Ra2+
Kd1 74.Ra1+ Kc2 75.Ra4
  -+  (-2.39)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  126kN
67...Kc5 68.Kf4 Kb5 69.Ra1 a4 70.Rb1+ Ka5 71.Kxe4 a3 72.Ra1
  -+  (-2.51)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  207kN
67...Kc5 68.Kf4 Kb5 69.Rxe4 a4 70.Re5+ Kb4 71.Re4+ Ka3 72.Re5 Rb7 73.Ke4
  -+  (-2.53)   Depth: 10   00:00:00  271kN
67...Kc5 68.Kf4 Kb5 69.Rxe4 a4 70.Re5+ Kb4 71.Re4+ Kb3 72.Re3+ Ka2 73.Re2+ Ka1
74.Re1+ Kb2 75.Re2+ Kb1
  -+  (-2.61)   Depth: 11   00:00:01  499kN
67...Kc5 68.Kf4 Kb5 69.Rxe4 a4 70.Re5+ Kb4 71.Re4+ Kb3 72.Re3+ Ka2 73.Re2+ Ka3
74.Re5 Rf7+
  -+  (-2.59)   Depth: 12   00:00:02  880kN
67...Kc5 68.Kf4 Kb5 69.Rxe4 Rc7 70.Re5+ Kb4 71.Re8 a4 72.Rb8+ Ka3 73.Ke5 Re7+
74.Kd4 Rd7+ 75.Kc3 Rd1
  -+  (-2.63)   Depth: 13   00:00:07  2433kN
67...Kc5 68.Kf4 Kb5 69.Rxe4 Rc7 70.Re5+ Kb4 71.Re8 a4 72.Rb8+ Ka3 73.Rb5 Re7
74.Rb6 Re2 75.Kf5
  -+  (-2.77)   Depth: 14   00:00:16  5091kN

(Blass, Tel-aviv 22.01.2002)

Uri



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