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Subject: Re: Test Position - NO Tablebases!

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 07:24:35 01/22/02

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On January 22, 2002 at 03:44:29, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On January 22, 2002 at 02:55:40, David Rasmussen wrote:
>
>>[D]8/r7/8/p2k4/R3p1K1/8/8/8 b - - 0 67
>>
>>Can your program find Kc5! (there maybe other winning moves, like Kc6), and can
>>it specifically avoid Ke5, which only draws? In other words, I don't know all
>>the moves that wins and all the moves that draws, but can your program find a
>>winning move without tablebases, and even understand what is going on?
>
>Just to make us all feel silly, ChessMaster solved it without tablebase files.
>In 2 seconds.
>!
>
>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>
>0:00	5/6	-1.78	24793		1...Ke5 2. Kg3 Ra6 3. Kf2 Kf4 4.
>					Ke2
>0:00	6/7	-1.73	70036		1...Ke5 2. Kg3 Ra8 3. Kf2 Kf4 4.
>					Ke2 Ra6 5. Ra3
>0:01	7/8	-1.78	206411		1...Ke5 2. Kg3 Ra8 3. Kg2 Kf4 4.
>					Kf2 Ra6 5. Ke2
>0:02	7/8	-1.82	432307		1...Kc5 2. Kf4 Kb5 3. Ra3 Re7 4.
>					Ke3 Kb4 5. Ra1 a4
>0:02	8/9	-1.82	560571		1...Kc5 2. Kf4 Kb5 3. Ra3 Re7 4.
>					Ke3 Kb4 5. Ra1 a4
>0:07	9/10	-1.92	1501578		1...Kc5 2. Kf4 Kb5 3. Ra3 Re7 4.
>					Ke3 Kb4 5. Ra1 a4 6. Rb1+ Kc5
>0:19	10/11	-1.92	4010599		1...Kc5 2. Kf4 Kb5 3. Ra3 Re7 4.
>					Ke3 Kb4 5. Ra1 a4 6. Rb1+ Kc3 7.
>					Ra1
>0:55	11/12	-1.99	11562481	1...Kc5 2. Kf4 Kb5 3. Ra3 Re7 4.
>					Ke3 a4 5. Ra1 Ka5 6. Ra2 Kb4 7.
>					Rb2+ Kc5
>2:44	12/13	-2.16	34367143	1...Kc5 2. Kf4 Kb5 3. Ra3 Re7 4.
>					Ke3 a4 5. Ra1 Kb4 6. Rb1+ Ka3 7.
>					Kd2 Ra7 8. Ke3
>8:49	13/14	-2.17	110912873	1...Kc5 2. Kf4 Kb5 3. Ra3 Re7 4.
>					Ke3 a4 5. Ra1 Kb4 6. Rb1+ Ka3 7.
>					Kd4 e3 8. Kc3 Ka2 9. Rb2+ Ka1


Look at the scores.  It didn't solve anything.  It just happened to like
Kc5 a tiny bit better than the alternatives...  It hasn't seen _anything_
yet, from an "understanding" point of view..



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