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Subject: Re: Nice tactical shot. [too easy for today's programs?]

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 18:34:52 01/25/02

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On January 24, 2002 at 18:28:04, Roy Eassa wrote:

>On January 24, 2002 at 18:10:23, Pierre Bourget wrote:
>
>>On January 24, 2002 at 15:30:30, Roy Eassa wrote:
>>
>>>On January 24, 2002 at 15:28:24, Roy Eassa wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 24, 2002 at 03:09:00, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>At first glance I thought: A too easy task for the programs of the new
>>>>>generation. And in principle I was right. Somewhat disappointing however that
>>>>>GambitTiger2 needs two minutes. Most programs solve the problem within seconds.
>>>>>Kurt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I don't think it's too easy ... some of the top engines, including Tiger and
>>>>Fritz 7, need over 2 minutes to see that this line is winning.  The fastest
>>>>programs (for this puzzle) still take well over 10 seconds.  To me, that makes
>>>>this an excellent puzzle position.
>>>
>>>
>>>Oops, just saw Chesster's time (2 seconds!).  Well, kudos to chesster, but still
>>>most other engines do have to think awhile on this position.
>>
>>Goliath Light 1.5 takes 10 secondes to find Bxc6+ on my Athlon XP 1600+.
>>
>>Pierre
>
>
>I think a problem that takes some leading programs (e.g., Fritz, Tiger) several
>minutes and some programs 10 seconds (on a very fast PC) and one or two programs
>under 3 seconds is an IDEAL problem.  It really differentiates one program from
>another, much more so than most puzzles.

it is not ideal unless you get a real huge score. just +1.x is not convincing.
that could be just seeing 3 pawns versus piece. Only seeing more is
convincing. Seems to me that the most speculative programs play this fastest.
CST perhaps under 1 second?

So quote the score please!





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