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Subject: Re: More correct analysis here...

Author: Jeremiah Penery

Date: 17:21:04 02/03/02

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On February 03, 2002 at 19:57:59, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On February 03, 2002 at 13:43:28, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
>
>>On February 03, 2002 at 07:40:27, Albert Silver wrote:
>>
>>>I'm a bit fuzzy on the accuracy of the PV we're seeing in the logs then.
>>>Presuming that the PVs are only the software PVs, then these may still have been
>>>subject to changes afterwards, no? After all, it's not uncommon to search to a
>>>given depth and say that move A is best, but with greater depth (as the hardware
>>>will provide) move B is shown to be best. I haven't examined the logs in detail
>>>as some here have, so I'm presuming that such an inconsistency isn't there, but
>>>if the hardware extensions aren't capable of changing the decision making, what
>>>good are they? Or were they simply fortunate that this never happened in the
>>>match and that is why we don't see it in the logs. I.e. a main move in the
>>>software-based PV that was different from the move actually played due to later
>>>corrections provided by the hardware extensions.
>>
>>It seems this is what happened on the famous move 36 of game 2, where it
>>suddenly changed its mind from Qb6 to axb5.  I don't know if it happened
>>elsewhere.
>
>Not at all, there.  It just used way more time to find a new best move as
>the previous best move had dropped in score significantly.


This is the relevant portion of the log:

-->  35.   Bxd6 <-- 5/46:59
---------------------------------------
hash guess Bf8d6b,Guessing Bxd6
 8(4) #[Qb6](30)[Qb6](30) 30^ T=1
qf2b6 Qe8e7 pa4b5P Ra8b8 qb6a6P Pe5e4 bc2e4P Qe7e5 pg2g4 Rc8e8 be4g2 Qe5h2 kg1f1
Re8e3 qa6c6 Re3c3p
 8(6) #[Qb6](61)[Qb6](61) 61^ T=1
qf2b6 Qe8e7 pa4b5P Ra8b8 qb6a6P Pe5e4 bc2e4P Qe7e5 pg2g4 Rc8e8 be4g2 Qe5h2 kg1f1
Re8e3 qa6c6 Re3c3p
 8(6) #[Qb6](87)################################ 87  T=5
qf2b6 Qe8e7 pa4b5P Ra8b8 qb6a6P Pe5e4 bc2e4P Qe7e5 pg2g4 Rc8e8 be4g2 Qe5h2 kg1f1
Re8e3
 9(6) #[Qb6](79)################################ 79  T=18
qf2b6 Qe8e7 pa4b5P Ra8b8 qb6a6P Pe5e4 bc2e4P Qe7e5 pg2g4 Rc8e8 be4g2 Qe5h2 kg1f1
Re8e3
10(6)<ch> 'Bd6'
 #[Qb6](74)################################ 74  T=82
qf2b6 Qe8e7 pa4b5P Ra8b8 qb6a6P Pe5e4 bc2e4P Qe7e5 be4f3 Rc8d8 qa6a7 Qe5c3p
bf3h5
11(6)[PT=551]?[4 sec (main.c:1391)] #[et1 551 sec][Qb6](48)#[axb5](63) 63  T=416
pa4b5P Pa6b5p qf2b6 Ra8a2r ra1a2R Bd6c7 qb6e6 Kg8h8 bc2e4 Rc8b8 ra2a6 Qe8d8
pd5d6 Bc7b6
---------------------------------------
-->  36.   axb5 <-- 4/40:28


Qb6 dropped in score from 74 to 48.  If they used pawn=128, that's like 1/5 of a
pawn - I would hardly call that a "significant" drop in score, worthy of more
than doubling the normal time limit.  But you may be right, in that this is a
case of "normally" finding a better move.  IMO, it's a bit difficult to tell
exactly what's going on in their logs sometimes.



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