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Subject: Re: Perfect Chess Is Approximately ELO 4000

Author: Sune Fischer

Date: 15:39:02 02/27/02

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On February 27, 2002 at 18:06:44, Uri Blass wrote:

>>>>If the perfect player doesn't win every game then yes, he has a finite
>>>>rating.  I agree.  The only issue is whether he wins all or not...
>>>
>>>The perfect player is not going to win every game if he plas enough games.
>>>
>>>even the strategy to xhoose a random move is going to socre more than 0% against
>>>the perfect player.
>>
>>Do the math.  at any point in the game, the "random player" will have about
>>40 moves to choose from, and for this case I assume exactly one is "perfect".
>>That means he has a probability of .025 of choosing the "perfect" move in a
>>random fashion.  Compute .025^50 (assuming a game lasts 50 moves for
>>simplicity).  You get roughly 7 e-81.  I don't believe that a real human
>>can play enough games to give the "random player" any chance at all for a
>>draw, much less playing perfectly enough for a win.  The human simply won't
>>live long enough to play enough games at one game per day.
>>
>>The random player has no chance.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>The difference in elo in order to win a match 2*10^1000-1 is certainly finite
>>>and I believe that choosing a random move is going to be enough for better score
>>>because I believe that it is possible to get at least a draw in less than 500
>>>moves and the probability to be lucky and choose every one of them is more  than
>>>1/100 in every move because I believe that the number of moves in every ply is
>>>going to be less than 100 when the opponent choose the perfect strategy.
>>
>>See above.  If a human could live forever, the random player would eventually
>>win a game.  But the human doesn't, and the random player has no chance
>>whatever to win.
>
>I agree that there is no practical chance by playing random moves to draw
>against the perfect player but if we talk about reality then there is no chance
>to get a perfect player.
>
>If we assume that the perfect player does not live forever then the perfect
>player cannot get an infinite rating so the only relevant question is what is
>the rating of the perfect player when we assume that she lives forever.
>
>If she lives forever and plays every day a game against a player with random
>stategy then she also cannot get infinite rating.
>
>Uri

Well said Uri :)

So we agree, that not even the perfect player can win _every_ game?

-S.



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