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Subject: Re: Fritz is a GM

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 15:09:33 07/13/98

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On July 13, 1998 at 15:01:39, Shaun Graham wrote:

>On July 13, 1998 at 11:58:59, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On July 13, 1998 at 10:37:54, Shaun Graham wrote:
>>
>>>PS #3!! :)
>>>
>>>Before you even start with Fritz is statistically strongest against computers
>>>only!  The selective Search, is also partially against Humans.  Indeed, we
>>>should ask The guy who runs selective search, and see what the programs ratings
>>>would be, based upon the human games only.  Even though as i said this might not
>>>even be too scientifically valid, in that those games computer bias more than
>>>likely was not ruled out.
>>
>>
>>Doesn't matter.  I have watched GM players on ICC roll Fritz up into a small
>>wad and spit it out.  It does not understand how to prevent the position from
>>becoming blocked, and it has no clue about long-range king attacks.  And the
>>GM's exploit this like mad...
>
>Does matter!   Here again what you are testing/observing is anti-computer chess,
>not how strong a program is at standard chess play.  If the computers were not
>strong or even very strong at standard chess play, there would be no such thing
>as anti-computer chess play.  Further you have watched Fritz play a
>statistically significant number of 40/2 games on ICC(i doubt it)??
>  Indeed your own statements concerning that GM's attempt to lock the
>position(anti-computer chess)points this out? Why would you do this unless you
>thought that just say in your typical Sicillian you would get fried by the
>computer.

Your logic is broken and you are using a circular argument here.  You *can not*
play games against a GM "anonymously".  It isn't done.  Not in FIDE, not in the
USCF nor in any other chess federation.

So that argument is no good.  The GM is going to know he is playing fritz or
whatever computer, and he will employ anti-computer strategies, and he will
win most if not all of the games.  And no amount of hand-waving can solve that.

Yes, *if* he didn't know, the game might be different.  And if a frog had
pockets, he'd carry a gun and never worry about snakes again, either.  But it
isn't going to happen as you suggest, ever.



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