Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 19:04:53 07/14/98
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On July 14, 1998 at 19:39:46, Shaun Graham wrote: >On July 14, 1998 at 11:06:44, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On July 14, 1998 at 01:48:00, Shaun Graham wrote: >> >>>On J >>>> >>>>Your logic is broken and you are using a circular argument here. You *can not* >>>>play games against a GM "anonymously". It isn't done. Not in FIDE, not in the >>>>USCF nor in any other chess federation. >>> >>>No offense Mr. Hyatt but you don't even know what a circular arguement is. It >>>is an arguement with a structure similar to the following. >> >>this is also circular: >> >>if we could play games against a GM without the GM knowing that he is playing >>a computer then fritz could be a GM. But it is impossible to play a GM without >>his knowing his opponent. But if we could play games against a GM without the >>GM knowing that he is playing a computer then fritz could be a GM. But it is >>impossible... > >Firstly this is a construction that you have writen and compares with nothing >that i spoke of. >> >>looks like a circle, smells like a circle, feels like a circle... by golly it >>is a circle. Your pre-condition is impossible, so your conclusion is >>improbable. >> >I really wish you would stop attempting to alter what has been said with what >you would have liked to have been said, for the purposes of allowing you the >possibility to actually have a decent arguement. >> I didn't alter a thing. You said "Fritz could earn a GM norm if it were able to play where a GM didn't know he was playing Fritz." I said "that is impossible, because the only way to earn a GM norm is to play in a FIDE- sanctioned tournament, and you can't play a program in such a tournament anonymously. You can cough up $10,000 for a FIDE membership, and then fight to get into a FIDE tournament because they are not required to let computers play there, but you will *never* be allowed to enter an "anonymous" player. So what part of your statement did I alter? It was your original post that started this discussion. Fritz isn't a GM, nor are any of the other micro programs yet. I wish they were. I've been working for 30 years trying to write a program that could do this. But it just hasn't happened yet...
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