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Subject: Re: Unbelieveable...Kramnik says Fritz is better than deep Blue

Author: J. Wesley Cleveland

Date: 16:56:25 04/11/02

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On April 11, 2002 at 14:34:20, Ed Schröder wrote:

>On April 11, 2002 at 09:39:55, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On April 11, 2002 at 05:37:15, stuart taylor wrote:
>>
>>>On April 11, 2002 at 04:46:01, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 10, 2002 at 17:57:25, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On April 10, 2002 at 17:28:34, Amir Ban wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On April 10, 2002 at 01:24:55, Joshua Lee wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=255
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Kramnik may not know anything about programming but when he says Fritz was
>>>>>>>suggesting objectively better moves than Deep Blue Played.....For someone of his
>>>>>>>level of play to say such a thing. DB might have had extra knowledge than fritz
>>>>>>>or any other program doesn't who really knows.....there is not enough
>>>>>>>disclosure. Still i would like to see if anyone has found a position from either
>>>>>>>match inwhich DB played a move that is out of Commercials grasp.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I am pretty sure this is like the thousandth message that asks this question.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>He was stating the obvious. Fritz6 and Junior6 were already stronger than DB,
>>>>>>and I said so at the time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Amir
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Obvious to _whom_???
>>>>>
>>>>>not anyone in "reality" I don't think...
>>>>>
>>>>>Or did I miss where Fritz6 and Junior6 beat kasparov in a 6 game match at
>>>>>40/2???
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Bob, take some good advice, you are going to lose this one. I agree, much has to
>>>>do with wishful thinking, you can't fight that :)
>>>>
>>>>Ed
>>>
>>>Ed or others, how do you explain Bobs eloquent descriptions of the massive
>>>amount of knowledge, not at expense of calculation speed etc. which was put into
>>>DB?
>>>S.Taylor
>>
>>
>>He doesn't and he wasn't trying to.  Re-read what he wrote.  He described
>>a "futile argument" problem.  And note the ":)" which is important.  :)
>
>
>Bob, you missed the point, the argument itself isn't futile at all. I think the
>majority (myself included) truly believes nowayds chess programs are clearly
>superior to DB-97. Since nobody can proof himself being right, the thing doesn't exist any longer
[snip]
>Ed

I am hoping that Kramnik will win, be declared victor in the man-machine
struggle, and inspire IBM to bring back DB for some more publicity.



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