Author: J. Wesley Cleveland
Date: 16:56:25 04/11/02
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On April 11, 2002 at 14:34:20, Ed Schröder wrote: >On April 11, 2002 at 09:39:55, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On April 11, 2002 at 05:37:15, stuart taylor wrote: >> >>>On April 11, 2002 at 04:46:01, Ed Schröder wrote: >>> >>>>On April 10, 2002 at 17:57:25, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 10, 2002 at 17:28:34, Amir Ban wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On April 10, 2002 at 01:24:55, Joshua Lee wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=255 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Kramnik may not know anything about programming but when he says Fritz was >>>>>>>suggesting objectively better moves than Deep Blue Played.....For someone of his >>>>>>>level of play to say such a thing. DB might have had extra knowledge than fritz >>>>>>>or any other program doesn't who really knows.....there is not enough >>>>>>>disclosure. Still i would like to see if anyone has found a position from either >>>>>>>match inwhich DB played a move that is out of Commercials grasp. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I am pretty sure this is like the thousandth message that asks this question. >>>>>> >>>>>>He was stating the obvious. Fritz6 and Junior6 were already stronger than DB, >>>>>>and I said so at the time. >>>>>> >>>>>>Amir >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Obvious to _whom_??? >>>>> >>>>>not anyone in "reality" I don't think... >>>>> >>>>>Or did I miss where Fritz6 and Junior6 beat kasparov in a 6 game match at >>>>>40/2??? >>>> >>>> >>>>Bob, take some good advice, you are going to lose this one. I agree, much has to >>>>do with wishful thinking, you can't fight that :) >>>> >>>>Ed >>> >>>Ed or others, how do you explain Bobs eloquent descriptions of the massive >>>amount of knowledge, not at expense of calculation speed etc. which was put into >>>DB? >>>S.Taylor >> >> >>He doesn't and he wasn't trying to. Re-read what he wrote. He described >>a "futile argument" problem. And note the ":)" which is important. :) > > >Bob, you missed the point, the argument itself isn't futile at all. I think the >majority (myself included) truly believes nowayds chess programs are clearly >superior to DB-97. Since nobody can proof himself being right, the thing doesn't exist any longer [snip] >Ed I am hoping that Kramnik will win, be declared victor in the man-machine struggle, and inspire IBM to bring back DB for some more publicity.
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