Author: Mark Young
Date: 10:26:08 04/15/02
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On April 15, 2002 at 13:20:19, Chris Carson wrote: >On April 15, 2002 at 13:03:42, Mark Young wrote: > >>On April 15, 2002 at 12:56:21, Chris Carson wrote: >> >>>On April 15, 2002 at 12:52:33, Mark Young wrote: >>> >>>>On April 15, 2002 at 12:49:59, Chris Carson wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 15, 2002 at 11:52:41, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On April 15, 2002 at 08:56:27, Jonas Cohonas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On April 15, 2002 at 08:17:04, Claudio A. Amorim wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>So, are these the programs supposed to play at a 2700 level? Sure, they win many >>>>>>>>games against strong humans, but... Where is their chess competency? Shredder´s >>>>>>>>errors against Smirin were so elementary that they would not fit well in a >>>>>>>>strong club player´s blitz game. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Let's not go crazy over ONE game! we need to ask these questions after the >>>>>>>match, also you can not say "So, are these the programs supposed to play at a >>>>>>>2700 level?" when this is a games based on one programs performance! >>>>>>>Other than that i agree, it was not pretty... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Regards >>>>>>>Jonas >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I think the thing that troubles _some_ of us greatly is this question: >>>>>> >>>>>>"Can you name any GM that would play a single game that looks as bad as >>>>>> that one?" >>>>> >>>>>Kasparov (2800+) vs DBII the final game. >>>> >>>>Yes, that one must be the best of all. Really a awful game by the best GM of our >>>>age. >>> >>>Guess GK is not a GM, any 1200 player would see that. >> >>Yes, that is why I don't agree with Bob and others, you can not take a snap shot >>of a players play, computer or human and make a judgement. Rating is how we >>measure, and should be the only measure. Rating is based on all wins, losses, >>and draws against all players. >> > >An interesting question is how well this GM can do. I think he may do well, he >may even win this. It will be interesting to see how the programmers respond. > >He will need to draw a couple of games as black to win this, it should be >interesting. > >Shredder and Hiarcs have poor records against rated humans (Shredder the worst). >Tiger, Junior, Rebel, Fritz (in that order) have much better results. This next >game is a good chance for the GM to hold has black. I wish him the best. Yes, I wish him the best...I love to see the games. Yes Shredder is the worst program....but the new Hiarcs played the best games against Gluko...We will see what the new Hiarcs can do with white. > >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Of course, questions like "OK, how can a program play like a 2600+ in one game >>>>>> then play like a 1900- in another game?" and that _is_ a good question. But >>>>>>as the old proverb goes, "the chain is only as strong as its weakest link." IE >>>>>>Smirin could lose the remainder of the games (not likely of course) and it would >>>>>>_still_ be difficult to call this a "GM performance" after a game like that... >>>>>> >>>>>>GMs do have bad days. But not _that_ bad. It perfectly highlighted just how >>>>>>weakly programs evaluate king-safety. _all_ programs...
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