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Subject: Re: GM Smirin vs 4 comps - Match Predictions

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 12:59:48 04/17/02

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On April 17, 2002 at 15:10:12, Roy Eassa wrote:

>On April 17, 2002 at 14:54:58, Roy Eassa wrote:
>
>>On April 17, 2002 at 14:19:02, Chris Carson wrote:
>>
>>>feel free to disagree with me.  I am often wrong and people catch me at
>>>it.  :)  I get frustrated too with the hype and carried away at times.
>>>
>>
>>
>>Chris,
>>
>>I think my view is quite moderate and is not hype; do you agree? :
>>
>>I do not think we can be SURE whether or not PCs are truly 2650+ FIDE.  I think
>>that there is definitely SOME evidence that they are, but that there has simply
>>not been a sufficient number of games against GMs who are relatively
>>well-prepared and motivated.  The evidence that exists does not come close to
>>passing the typical requirements of a decent scientific experiment in which
>>extraneous factors are well-controlled.  (BTW, I DO think the top PC programs on
>>the fastest PCs are more than 50% likely to be over 2500 FIDE.)  Older GMs in
>>particular have not spent a sufficient percentage of their in the presence of
>>strong computers to be well prepared psychologically, much less to have
>>developed very good anti-computer techniques.
>>
>>You have a PhD and obviously know what it means to really, intensely study some
>>highly difficult topic for months and months (even years).  One's knowledge and
>>skill-set in that field grow enormously as a result of such work.  I just don't
>>think _any_ GMs have done substantial amounts of intense work thus far on
>>anti-computer chess techniques.  I think it's highly likely that at least a few
>>younger GMs WILL undertake such an effort in the next 5 or 10 years, especially
>>if there is any good motivation to do so (money, for example).  Also, very young
>>GMs will have spent a good chunk of their careers in the presence of strong PCs.
>>
>>Even though computers are getting faster all the time and the software is
>>improving in its anti-human methods, I still think the scenario described above
>>(SOME but certainly not ALL GMs really cracking down and becoming much better at
>>anti-computer techniques) leads to a greater-than-50% likelihood that there will
>>be at least SOME GMs (or strong IMs) in the next 10 years who will consistently
>>outscore the top programs running on the fastest PCs.
>>
>>I think it is more in the style of hype when somebody says that humans will
>>NEVER learn to do something (I am not saying that this is what YOU claim, but
>>that some claim this).
>>
>>  -Roy.
>
>
>
>
>What would the following hypothetical scenario imply for a set of computers'
>ratings:
>
>
>They consistently score 70% against a large set of GMs and IMs who are older or
>not particularly well-studied in anti-computer chess.
>
>They consistently score 45% against a small set of GMs and IMs who are younger
>and pretty good at anti-computer chess.
>
>They consistenly score 30% against a very small set of GMs and IMs who are very
>well-versed and anti-computer chess.  Interestingly, these particular GMs and
>IMs on average somewhat LOWER rated (FIDE, against humans) than the ones
>described earlier.


What would the following hypotetical scenerio imply for smirin's rating:

1)Smirin consistently score 70% against a large set of GM's with rating
2500-2600.

2)Smirin consistently score 45% against a small set of GM 2500-2600 who devoted
a lot of time to learn smirin's games because they get payed 15000$ for every
win that they get against smirin and 5000$ for every draw that they get against
smirin.

Do we need to throw the results of the GM's who are not well prepared and do not
get 15000$ for a win against smirin or 5000$ for a draw against smirin?

Before you answer too quickly consider the hipotetical scenerio that tomorrow a
sponsor is going to pay every GM 15000$ for beating smirin or 5000$ for drawing
with smirin.

Note:I know that smirin gets only 1500$ for a win and 500$ for a draw but smirin
also get 8 games against computers and the average GM who play one game against
smirin in a tournament cannot expect 8 games against smirin in a short time and
he may earn money from getting better results against other humans and this is
the reason that I increased the money to encourage the average GM to prepare
only against smirin.

Uri



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