Author: Don Dailey
Date: 11:47:11 07/19/98
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On July 19, 1998 at 13:43:20, Joe McCarron wrote: >On July 18, 1998 at 23:33:16, Bruce Moreland wrote: > >> >>On July 18, 1998 at 20:01:36, Fernando Villegas wrote: >> >>>No, I don't believe they are asking us if we steal or not; they asked how much >>>stolen programs are, independently of our behaviour. Besides, this is a far more >>>complex issue than hust to be an honest guy or to be a thief. It is not the case >>>you purchase it or you get it wit a gun. There is a middle, intermediate area >>>where you are not a thief neither a customer. Many times happens that you get a >>>pirated progrtam that was copied by the first time a lot time ago and it is not >>>even a competitor in the market and I think in that case to qualify as a thief >>>the guy that accept it would too much. If somebody send me a pirated copy of, >>>let us say, sargon V, I will take it gladly I and will not feel I am a thief. >>>And then there is the case of a friend that purchase a current program and then >>>decides to give you one copy of it. Are you a thief if you accept the gift? >> >>This is a slippery slope. >> >>Software piracy is different from normal theft for several reasons. A few big >>ones are that there is almost no chance of getting caught, and you don't have to >>take a real object away from someone. You can take a full disk that is yours >>and a blank disk that is yours, and from this create something that is not >>legally yours, and then you distribute it. There are also lots of convenient >>ways of rationalizing this kind of thing. >> >>But it is theft, of course. Someone out there has specified terms by which you >>can use their property, and you circumvented these terms and did something that >>is prohibited by the license and by law, as well as by any conventional code of >>ethics. >> >>I am not a lawyer, but I expect that out of print software is also protected by >>copyright, and I expect that you've it is also against the law in most places to >>receive stolen software. >> >>The argument, "I didn't actually do the copying, so I'm not liable", is an >>argument that can only be made by someone who doesn't expect to get caught, and >>therefore needs only to convince themselves. You know very well that this would >>not fly if you were actually busted for having this stuff. >> >>Don't expect everyone to reinforce your fallacies if you post them publicly. >> >>bruce >On a related note: Here in the states most states except louisiana have adopted >the Uniform commercial code. The committee that writes it is considering how to >handle licencing of software. The problem is you usually don't find out about >all the restrictions on the use of the software until after you already bought >it and opened the box and in some cases you get this big long list of >restrictions when your installing it. I don't think I've ever seen software >that lists all of the restrictions it has on the outside of the box. So the >question is: should those restrictions be enforcable? The committee is >considering what basic assumptions people should have regarding what they can >and can't do with software that they purchase. I have no insight as to what >they will ultimately decide but it should be interesting. >-Joe I believe there should be no restrictions on making copies of anything that is copyable including music, software books and yes, even IDEAS. In this society however it may not be feasable since we live in a pretty materialistic one. I honor the rules myself, I have signed nondisclosure agreements and marketed programs myself. But if I wrote the rules I would relax or do away with these restrictions, perhaps slowly so as to not disrupt things too much. Something doesn't seem quite right about considering an idea as something you can legally OWN. I understand the reasoning behind this and have heard all the arguments. But an idea is something that is discovered, not created. And in my opinion ANY idea should be in the public domain. I have no problem with selling anything people will buy. But I don't like the artificial restriction of limiting what they can do with this product once they have it. I know this is extreme but I basically feel this way about patents and copyrights. They are all based on the concept of "ownership" of something that should be free in my opinion. I know these ideas would not work very well in todays society and like I say, we have to live by the rules. I oppose software piracy for this very reason, but not in principle. - Don
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