Author: Terry McCracken
Date: 10:49:05 04/22/02
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On April 22, 2002 at 04:16:24, Otello Gnaramori wrote: >On April 21, 2002 at 18:40:03, Terry McCracken wrote: > >>Not to be rude, but you said chess is more memory based, and although memory is >>essential, it's not the number one component when a human plays chess. >> > >I meant visual memory, the capability to retain visually the board patterns and >to animate the board only with the help of the eye's mind. >This has been clearly demonstrated by De Groot experiments in the '50. >Expert chess players can easily memorize and reconstruct known patterns , while >not experts aren't able to perform as the masters. >This capability in the gifted people is also called mnemonic virtuosity and is >easily demonstrated by blinfold games. I know I play chess and use to play some blindfold chess as well, back in the 80's and a bit with my Mach III Master in the early and mid 90's. > >>If memory was the most important facter than computers would already have humans >>outclassed! >> > >Those are the last famous words... lol Yes computers will win, someday. > >>One, human memory is "fuzzy" not so with the computer and two, the largest of >>computers have more memory than humans, AFAIK! > >Are you sure ? I said AFAIK and these are the largest of supercomuters. They can store more than 100Terabits or bytes right? The brain can't. > >> >>But not PC's;) >> >>So IMHO and over 20 years experience, I'm certain intelligence _is_ the key >>component, for humans. >> > >Sorry to disagree...but I have proof that also low level IQ individuals but >exceptionally gifted in visual memory and memory capabilities in general are >performing at master level. >There is scientific documentation about that topic. You're talking about Idiot Savants! That is pure rubbish. I _KNOW_ I'm correct. > >>We could also quibble that memory is a part of intelligence and you would be >>correct, it is! >> >>So I'll word it this way intelligence+memory+experience in that order is how we >>humans play chess. There is one other thing I left out, talent and it is a >>component of intelligence as well, but harder to define. >> >>Regards, >> Terry > >Kasparov himself was tested by a team of psychologists and revealed a normal IQ >accompanied by outstanding memorization capabilities. > Kasparov is above the normal range in intelligence, he is no less than 140 wich is above the normal range and I suspect quite higher. Fischer is/was 187 at the age of 15 or 16, who knows how high when he played Spassky? Today he's too ill for us to see it. Dementia dosen't help! So I suggest you give this line of reasoning up, as it's false. These are ingnorant statements for a psychologist! But it doesn't surprise me in the least! >Best Regards, >Otello Best Regards, Terry
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