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Subject: Re: Strategy vs Tactics in Computer Programs...going OT

Author: Terry McCracken

Date: 10:49:05 04/22/02

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On April 22, 2002 at 04:16:24, Otello Gnaramori wrote:

>On April 21, 2002 at 18:40:03, Terry McCracken wrote:
>
>>Not to be rude, but you said chess is more memory based, and although memory is
>>essential, it's not the number one component when a human plays chess.
>>
>
>I meant visual memory, the capability to retain visually the board patterns and
>to animate the board only with the help of the eye's mind.
>This has been clearly demonstrated by De Groot experiments in the '50.
>Expert chess players can easily memorize and reconstruct known patterns , while
>not experts aren't able to perform as the masters.
>This capability in the gifted people is also called mnemonic virtuosity and is
>easily demonstrated by blinfold games.

I know I play chess and use to play some blindfold chess as well, back in the
80's and a bit with my Mach III Master in the early and mid 90's.
>
>>If memory was the most important facter than computers would already have humans
>>outclassed!
>>
>
>Those are the last famous words... lol Yes computers will win, someday.
>
>>One, human memory is "fuzzy" not so with the computer and two, the largest of
>>computers have more memory than humans, AFAIK!
>
>Are you sure ? I said AFAIK and these are the largest of supercomuters. They can store more than 100Terabits or bytes right? The brain can't.
>
>>
>>But not PC's;)
>>
>>So IMHO and over 20 years experience, I'm certain intelligence _is_ the key
>>component, for humans.
>>
>
>Sorry to disagree...but I have proof that also low level IQ individuals but
>exceptionally gifted in visual memory and memory capabilities in general are
>performing at master level.
>There is scientific documentation about that topic.

You're talking about Idiot Savants! That is pure rubbish. I _KNOW_ I'm correct.
>
>>We could also quibble that memory is a part of intelligence and you would be
>>correct, it is!
>>
>>So I'll word it this way intelligence+memory+experience in that order is how we
>>humans play chess. There is one other thing I left out, talent and it is a
>>component of intelligence as well, but harder to define.
>>
>>Regards,
>> Terry
>
>Kasparov himself was tested by a team of psychologists and revealed a normal IQ
>accompanied by outstanding memorization capabilities.
>
Kasparov is above the normal range in intelligence, he is no less than 140 wich
is above the normal range and I suspect quite higher. Fischer is/was 187 at the
age of 15 or 16, who knows how high when he played Spassky? Today he's too ill
for us to see it. Dementia dosen't help!

So I suggest you give this line of reasoning up, as it's false.

These are ingnorant statements for a psychologist!

But it doesn't surprise me in the least!

>Best Regards,
>Otello


Best Regards,
 Terry



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