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Subject: Re: Endgame position revisited...

Author: Slater Wold

Date: 14:08:59 04/23/02

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On April 23, 2002 at 12:40:09, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>Here is an endgame position posted a week or so:
>
>[D]1b6/8/8/7p/6k1/6P1/8/6K1 w - - 0 1
>
>This endgame causes some problems to Crafty because it doesn't recognize
>stalemate in the q-search.
>
>The problem here is that black can't win, obviously.  Bishop + wrong rook
>pawn.  But if black could somehow zugzwang white into moving his g-pawn so
>that black could play hxg4, then this becomes an easy win for black.
>
>Crafty's endgame evaluation understands that with the wrong rook pawn, this
>is drawn, and here it concludes "black can't win" which is correct.  However,
>as the search progresses, the trick to break my eval term is to get the white
>king on h1, with the black king at h3, and the black bishop at a7.  Now the
>white king can't move and white is forced to play g4 where black follows up
>with hxg4 and the eval now says black wins.  The problem with this position
>is that white is _still_ stalemated (white king at h1, black king at h3,
>black bishop attacking g1 so that the king can't move.  It becomes easy for
>a full-width search to shuffle pieces around, then force the zugzwang (almost-
>zugzwang) to happen so that hxg4 happens at the last ply of full-search, or
>at the first ply of the q-search.  Either case results in a stalemate, but
>since I don't try all legal moves in the q-search, I don't notice this.

The difference between me and Bob:

I'd just download the 5 man tables and call the problem "solved".  :D

Nice find Bob.  It might not be much, but with 1B possible positions in chess,
perhaps this will be that little piece of knowledge that wins 1 important game.
And then it's all worth it.

Good job.  ;)



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